Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Date: 24 Apr 2025 21:48:23 GMT Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net sLDzy2Bm3WlKpYeurd4dwQR5Ks5MHhGjA9osYfnNwh+N2/d0GQ Cancel-Lock: sha1:PFM5WjVoc1c5Ngczew3br4pChM0= sha256:xzI/6NP5sUuQUCs41uAra963O+rO5THxIxT+6bmaUn8= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Hmm4; 1fd2c25b; Linux-6.14.3) Bytes: 3613 On 24 Apr 2025 21:45:39 GMT, vallor wrote in : > On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 14:04:44 -0700, % wrote in > : > >> vallor wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 13:31:51 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man >>> >>> wrote in : >>> >>>> On 2025-04-24, RonB wrote: >>>>> On 2025-04-23, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> By GNOME 50 next year upstream could completely remove its X11 >>>>>> session support. >>>>> >>>>> Fortunately I can choose something NOT Fedora. If they go through >>>>> with this, >>>>> adios Fedora on the laptop I never use. >>>>> >>>>> Non-problem solved. >>>>> >>>> This was one of the reasons I left Fedora and went to Debian. I had >>>> been tired of the frequent release cycle, and some of the politics, >>>> but the fact they would be earlier than other distros in deprecating >>>> X11 pushed me to Debian. Nothing against Wayland per-se, but it >>>> breaks some X applications, and my Window Manager. >>>> >>>> The "developers" today are terrible, constantly breaking everything >>>> all the time. How they feel it is acceptable to constantly break >>>> peoples workflows is beyond me. Sheer arrogance. >>> >>> I stopped using Fedora when they were removing code from openssl for >>> which they claimed they weren't sure about a patent incumberance. >>> >>> It wasn't just flags in the SRPM that disabled elliptical-curve >>> crypto, >>> they actually took the code for ECC out of openssl. >>> >>> I jumped ship to Linux Mint, and I'm much happier for it. >>> >> why > > Because when I realized Red Hat was telling the Fedora maintainers to > remove code from openssl, that Fedora wasn't the kind of distro I wanted > to run. > > I was also tired of using rpmfusion to supplement what was missing from > Fedora -- little things, like being able to play mp3's. > > The closest I've gotten to Fedora since then was to boot a live version > of Nobara, which was disastrous. Linux Mint "just works". Correction: I still have an old server running Fedora. But I'm planning to decommission it, and I already have the new hardware for it, a newer SuperMicro SuperServer. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.3 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space."