Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 19:21:09 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: <5rteuj1mr9a65enuv3jqj7sfmpgurreaqs@4ax.com> <87iknpxigi.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <87tt79kodg.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <62cmuj1f1dvq0kig96gflu90uat89d6ssj@4ax.com> <87a58um184.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <87ecy43qdh.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <87semjl99f.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <87a58il0jo.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <87jz7lw2zg.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <875xj2l49n.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 02:21:09 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bac2d8463f6b43a45483450f9de8e4bc"; logging-data="1863690"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/aqm9Tdya1jj6wh6mM0fMJ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:FE0bbK5yj9m4UHK4ij9xXsszhbE= In-Reply-To: <875xj2l49n.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4735 On 4/17/2025 7:09 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: > Roger Merriman writes: > >> AMuzi wrote: >>> On 4/15/2025 4:04 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: >>>> AMuzi writes: >>>> >>>>> On 4/15/2025 3:27 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote: >>>>>> Am 15.04.2025 um 02:40 schrieb Radey Shouman: >>>>>>> zen cycle writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> A direct effect of the anti-vax movement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm in favor of measles vaccination, and never said otherwise.  I >>>>>>> took >>>>>>> the vaccine back when it was quite new, and never regretted it.  I >>>>>>> believe most of the Texas and New Mexico measles cases are among >>>>>>> Mennonites, who may have a different opinion.  I am not in favor of >>>>>>> trying to force them to vaccinate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The anti-vax movement used to be the province of wealthy, >>>>>>> overprivileged, nutty granola types.  Why do you suppose it has >>>>>>> spread >>>>>>> more widely? >>>>>> The Anti-vax movement has been strongly linked to the Nazis since >>>>>> the early 1930's "we cannot have Jewish doctors poison our pure >>>>>> aryan blood lines". >>>>>> The "Jewish Domination" Consipracy claims of those times have lived >>>>>> on in the alt-right movement, just replacing the word "Jewish" by >>>>>> the word "globalist".  I am absolutely not surprised that the rise >>>>>> to power of the Alt-Right has given popularity to the Anti-Vaxxers >>>>>> as well. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe in Germany, I truly don't know. >>>>> >>>>> But here, the rise in anti-vax was driven by upper class suburban >>>>> mothers and Hollywood celebrities who skew soft left. (as with any >>>>> social phenomenon there are of course many flavors of opinion and >>>>> politics) It was unusual before that quack Wakefield (1998?) but >>>>> snowballed after that. >>>>> >>>>> Regarding anti-Semitism, one of the notable groups here resistant to >>>>> vaccination generally are Hasidim. >>>>> >>>>> https://forward.com/news/417390/measles-is-hitting-ultra-orthodox-communities-why-arent-they-vaccinating/ >>>> >>>> This agrees with my US-centric impressions. Regarding Nazi anti-vax >>>> feelings, I understand Hitler was a vegetarian. Maybe all vegetarians >>>> are secretly Nazis. >>>> >>> >>> A vegetarian nonsmoking teetotaler I might well add. >>> >> >> The brain injury from the 1st world war, is probably more likely if one was >> going for external influences, that and that Eugenics was popular. > > My point was that I would be amazed to find a person with whom I either > agreed or disagreed on every particular. "Nazis liked it, therefore it > must be bad" is an ad hominem argument. > Or 'Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc' https://helpfulprofessor.com/post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc-examples/ -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971