Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Most significant advance in bike technology for speed? Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2025 10:41:54 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 65 Message-ID: <9cn1qjtmpkkd6v0j89dladve2ccussa4ne@4ax.com> References: <54h0qjpr6cplhtbpcncn57rarfe06mlape@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2025 16:41:58 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="33d3d39b50dc68935a5fc1dcacb56c71"; logging-data="1417258"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18RhnMkZs2MdOz0O+fzhpkR8b094qtkeaM=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:rkMh7d/HPiw9nbC/f3WwRbAVKKc= Bytes: 3981 On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 09:54:27 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: >On 2/3/2025 9:21 AM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 2/2/2025 10:32 PM, John B. wrote: >>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:43:08 -0500, Frank Krygowski >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/1/2025 8:58 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>> >>>>> People do make individual decisions based on their individual >>>>> evaluations of their individual circumstances, abilities etc. by their >>>>> own individual criteria.  And then they live or die by those decisions. >>>>> >>>>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/01/garbage-collector-shoots-2-armed- >>>>> robbers- >>>>> outside-elementary-school-killing-1.html >>>>> >>>>> In my personal opinion it is not morally superior do die while being >>>>> robbed. YMMV. >>>> >>>> A parallel statement that might be made by other people about spiders, >>>> snakes, ghosts, enclosed spaces, and dozens of other phobias. Requiring >>>> a gun to ride on a quiet bike path where young mothers push kids in >>>> strollers is paranoid. And if I lived somewhere where I needed a gun to >>>> fend off armed robbers, I'd move. >>> >>> >>> Well... Ohio is only 14 from the top of the list in Robbery Rate >>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/232564/robbery-rate-in-the-us-by- >>> state/ >>> >>> But more perhaps more interesting is how do you know that you " needed >>> a gun to fend off armed robbers"? >>> >>> Until you actually do need it? >> >> On one hand, Poland OH is largely bereft of violent crime: >> >> https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Poland-Ohio.html >> (compare to nearby Youngstown in 1st chart) > >Youngstown has much more crime than Poland. So does Philadelphia, >Cleveland, DC, LA, Atlanta, Oklahoma City, etc etc etc > >But I've ridden in all of them, always unarmed. I've ridden in most >neighborhoods in Youngstown. The worst crime I ever encountered was to >have a cyclometer swiped, once in Poland Township, once in Ireland. > >After 70+ years of such experiences, am I really supposed to pretend >"This could be the day I'll have to blow somebody away to save my life"? I haven't seen any suggestions as to what you're supposed to do. As for me, I favor people making their own choices and otherwise minding their own business. >No. At some point, repeatedly fearing something that has never happened >crosses over into phobia. That's from a guy who fears he'd get shot by having a gun in his home. How often has he been shot because of a gun in his home? -- C'est bon Soloman