Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Roger Merriman Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: bike path news Date: 13 Mar 2025 10:23:01 GMT Lines: 154 Message-ID: References: <%KYzP.95026$3te7.74925@fx03.iad> <1075tj17o22p2gffrucs2o30ffshspjt96@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net RmQy3o6EENe91eaV16OOlgrdk9AoCaYh5874A01JgjLxmXFfL+ Cancel-Lock: sha1:WSjq1jBFuxy2GHws4xORXH8wIz0= sha1:8I6ZeaDYVmmUCAr6/yw8aF24cZw= sha256:tTrCCiajReLjEgqGOb/m3/Hj0pfZpe/dm2PJFDcPrEM= User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad) Bytes: 7433 Catrike Ryder wrote: > On 13 Mar 2025 00:25:27 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: > >> Catrike Ryder wrote: >>> On 12 Mar 2025 17:00:23 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >>> >>>> Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>> On 12 Mar 2025 06:31:29 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> John B. wrote: >>>>>>> On 11 Mar 2025 15:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cyclintom wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue Mar 11 10:58:45 2025 Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> John B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 11 Mar 2025 10:23:20 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People form their own opinions and arrange their own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior based on their own situation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes - or based on their own phobias. I know people who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> horribly afraid of spiders, garter snakes, honeybees, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> graveyards and more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smart? No. Logical? No. But at least they're not carrying >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lethal weaponry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My daughter for example used to take the train to work in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclement or bitter cold Chicago winters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No longer. ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're the anecdote master, Andrew. But IIRC you've not yet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> found a horrifying anecdote about quiet bike paths in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suburban Florida, near our timid tricycle rider. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The murder of this thread was of an unarmed man on a bike path. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just because it can happen doesnt mean it will happen, going out on limb >>>>>>>>>>>> but I suspect that CatTrike Ryder will be perfectly safe with or without >>>>>>>>>>>> carrying any guns on his rides. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect he knows this as well, but simply likes having the gun on him? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I spent more then a year in Vietnam where people did, on occasion, >>>>>>>>>>> shoot at you and I can assure you that a firearm did give you a >>>>>>>>>>> certain sense of security :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Even when they weren't shooting :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I?m assuming this was the Vietnam war or similar which is a kinda difficult >>>>>>>>>> risk case to put it mildly! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And yes there are places where having a gun on you seems a wise decision, >>>>>>>>>> riding your bike even in America doesn?t seems likely hence the absence of >>>>>>>>>> bike specific kit to do so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you suppose that Vietnam or Laos is safe today? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I?d assume so yes, I?d confidently predict it has lower violent crime rate >>>>>>>> than US, certainly folks who have gone there or lived there haven?t claimed >>>>>>>> they needed a gun or someone with gun for protection! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't speak for Vietnam or Laos, which are both Communist, but in >>>>>>> Thailand, my nephew - manages a family business in the village - >>>>>>> estimates that every business will have at least one gun (legal or >>>>>>> not) on the premises and all gold shops, for sure, will have one at >>>>>>> the sales counter, and they will shoot. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is moving goal posts, ie folks are using guns as deterrent against >>>>>> robbery at high value stores. >>>>>> >>>>>> And yes guns can be a deterrent, here as the armed police are so lethal, >>>>>> and using a gun will make you a target both literally and for >>>>>> investigation, so only very dumb folks use guns as the risks are so high, >>>>>> and tend to pay the price for doing so. >>>>>> >>>>>> That?s rather different to having a gun, for bike ride or popping to the >>>>>> shops and so on. >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>> >>>>> The Europeans, especially the Brits, are much more willing to let >>>>> their government run their lives for them than we USAians. The attempt >>>>> here to move us in that direction that was soundly rejected in the >>>>> last election. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> C'est bon >>>>> Soloman >>>>> >>>> >>>> Guns as protection or other weapons where used particularly in the era of >>>> the highwaymen but was more seen as tool than a culture, ie when the risk >>>> diminished then it fell out of use and over time became regulated. >>>> >>>> Roger Merriman >>> >>> From what I understand, in the UK, guns were regulated out of >>> existance by the government. >>> >>> -- >>> C'est bon >>> Soloman >>> >> >> Folks who have a need or want, ie farmers/hunters/target shooters >> absolutely own guns, generally rifles/shot guns. Handguns bar target >> shooters aren’t legal but then hardly useful for farmers/hunters either so. >> >> Roger Merriman > > So, only criminals have handguns. It's good that you don't have as > many thugs, crooks, and gangs as the USA. > > -- > C'est bon > Soloman > Career criminals absolutely could get hold of guns I’m sure, but due to the response by the Police in that the firearms officers will be called, and these guys are deadly serious and if your remotely pose a threat you will be killed. If you’re gone before the police arrive you’re now made yourself high priority for investigation and arrest purely by dint of your firearms use within what ever crime. You can expect no bail from the courts as you’ve proven that you are a risk, and likewise a long prison term. Hence the organised and career criminals keep clear of guns as they aren’t worth the risk. And why it’s very rare for guns to be used, and tends to end badly for them. Roger Merriman