Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:15:02 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <1a24df9d32ca26ee437ba898f4d7bd29d7179963@i2pn2.org> References: <8e95dfce-05e7-4d31-b8f0-43bede36dc9b@att.net> <53d93728-3442-4198-be92-5c9abe8a0a72@att.net> <9c18a839-9ab4-4778-84f2-481c77444254@att.net> <8ef20494f573dc131234363177017bf9d6b647ee@i2pn2.org> <66868399-5c4b-4816-9a0c-369aaa824553@att.net> <412770ca-7386-403f-b7c2-61f671d8a667@att.net> <56517e7b-7fa0-4ea8-88f4-bbd4c385e8d2@att.net> <8036bca97a855105d629273e992bdd66856a7ffc@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:15:02 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2904003"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 4149 Lines: 49 Am Thu, 09 Jan 2025 22:55:13 +0100 schrieb WM: > On 09.01.2025 21:17, joes wrote: >> Am Thu, 09 Jan 2025 19:25:19 +0100 schrieb WM: > >>> Losing all numbers but keeping infinitely many is impossible in >>> inclusion-monotonic sequences. >> This case doesn't occur. > Loss of all numbers is proven by the empty intersection. > Keeping infinitely many is poved by Fritsche. ....for different cases. There is no empty segment, each is infinite. >>>If all endsegments remain infinite, we have a >>> contradiction. >> No, they are subsets of the same cardinality. There is no >> contradiction. > They remain infinite. But infinitely many endsegments require all > natnumbers as indices. What makes up their infinite content? You may have noticed that every segment is different. >>>> In the sequence of end.segments of ℕ there is no number which empties >>>> an infinite set to a finite set. >>> Then there cannot exist a sequence of endsegments obeying ∀k ∈ ℕ: >>> E(k+1) = E(k) \ {k+1} for all k ∈ ℕ and getting empty. >> No term of the sequence is empty, if you mean that. > Then not all natnumbers are outside of content and inside of the set of > indices. Untrue. The sequence is, unfathomably, infinite. >>>> and there is no number which is in common with all its endsegments. >>> Therefore all numbers get lost from the content and become indices. >> WDYM "become"? There is no point at which all naturals would be counted >> - N being infinite. > The endsegment E(n) loses its element n+1 ad becomes E(n+1). > >>>> ℕ has only infinite endsegments. >>> Then it has only finitely many, because not all numbers get lost from >>> the content. >> Huh? No. Then not all numbers would be "indices". > Then there are only finitely many indices. Contradiction. There are inf. many. >>>> The intersection of all (infinite) end.segments of ℕ is empty. >>> What is the content if all elements of ℕ have become indices? >> There is no such endsegment. > What element of ℕ does not become an index? omega is not an element of N. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.