Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: RonB Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 06:35:10 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <1irOP.851750$d51.585824@fx46.iad> Injection-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 08:35:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8a8951c1e8c1d86f3210fe614066f54f"; logging-data="166324"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX182lCGDfXtwmgBGXnM+rl+6" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:l64pqvoIdwM/zoKShYq/heguPak= Bytes: 3091 On 2025-04-26, Borax Man wrote: > On 2025-04-26, chrisv wrote: >> Borax Man wrote: >> >>>What I was referring to problem, isn't limited to software. It seems to >>>be a Millenial trait in general, or of younger people. That is, they >>>want to work on what they want to work on, rather than what needs to be >>>done. People seeing their work as an opportunity to do what they think >>>is best, rather than what *other* people need. They think that "work" >>>is just a way they can actualise themselves. Companies bend towards >>>this, catering to their needs, rather than the companies, or the >>>customers needs. We, the users, need our software to work. If you want >>>to work on it, your role is to stop our stuff breaking. >> >> I don't know why you think that people can "do what they want" in >> defiance of market forces. The same with companies "bending" away >> from their needs or their customers' needs. >> >> If they don't do the right things, they will be beaten in the market >> by someone who is. >> > > Not necessarily. This idea that "market forces" just fixes things runs > contrary to observed experience. Many companies still turn a profit > DESPITE massive ineffeciecies and avoidable errors. This is an > ideological position, not one based on observation of the real world. > Also, the "market" often moves according to external forces, or it > doesn't due t intertia, or network effects. ie, you use product X, not > becaues its good, but because you need to interact with others also > using product X. Product X can turn to crap, but you can't leave, > because that is where everyone still is. A prime example, Windows. -- Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin with them. Know the difference.