Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Turing Machine computable functions apply finite string transformations to inputs Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:28:53 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <9c3b57c69994b0477f8ac216ce6553c5b541b8f1@i2pn2.org> References: <0a2eeee6cb4b6a737f6391c963386745a09c8a01@i2pn2.org> <4818688e0354f32267e3a5f3c60846ae7956bed2@i2pn2.org> <65dddfad4c862e6593392eaf27876759b1ed0e69@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 02:07:42 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2331913"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3290 Lines: 36 On 4/28/25 11:35 AM, olcott wrote: > On 4/28/2025 10:18 AM, dbush wrote: >> On 4/28/2025 11:01 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 4/28/2025 2:33 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>>> On 28/04/2025 07:46, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> So we agree that no algorithm exists that can determine for all >>>>> possible inputs whether the input specifies a program that >>>>> (according to the semantics of the machine language) halts when >>>>> directly executed. >>>>> Correct? >>>> >>>> Correct. We can, however, construct such an algorithm just as long >>>> as we can ignore any input we don't like the look of. >>>> >>> >>> The behavior of the direct execution of DD cannot be derived >>> by applying the finite string transformation rules specified >>> by the x86 language to the input to HHH(DD). This proves that >> >> The assumption that an H exists that meets the below requirements is >> false, as shown by Linz and others: >> > > I have just proved that those requirements are stupidly wrong > IT IS UTTERLY MORONIC OR DECEITFUL TO DISAGREE WITH THE X86 LANGUAGE > No, all you have proved is that you are a stupid liar. You CLAIM a lot of things, but haven't actually proven anything you have claimeed. Sorry, the only thing that you have actually proved is that you are just an ignorant pathological liar.