Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Roger Merriman Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Thoughts on industrial design Date: 29 Apr 2025 08:32:30 GMT Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net DZBCF1Xc7GHjbAHsgblcGQ38IZABwV2lOgtFSHAzpZuatfYWjw Cancel-Lock: sha1:nY/DmFuHHaqSgiZdTUdBIde2VLQ= sha1:AuCleaJcM7dJgtn/e/RDScUIY3c= sha256:pYfexKUoiIc76UxZT85IiHzLr5SeeZXNMbQkBF0CHNg= User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad) Bytes: 3999 Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 4/28/2025 3:19 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote: >> Am Sun, 27 Apr 2025 21:26:23 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski >> : >> >>> I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my >>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>> no, accelerator, and it goes. >>> >>> Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>> for discussion. >> >> I never owned a car with automatic transmission, either. If I rent a >> car, I don't care, but why should I get used to something that I don't >> need and that only costs money? >> >> We still own a car manufactured 25 years ago, that we bought 20 years >> ago, for less money than we spent for the parts of the two bikes I built >> in early 2023. A car that is driven infrequently, carefully and only on >> a few long journeys and that is properly maintained can last that long - >> at least some of those produced before 2000 do. > > Here in Northeast Ohio, it's difficult for a car to last that long even > if given normal good care and driven infrequently. That would have > described "the pinnacle of automotive achievement," the 1990 Honda Civic > Station Wagon that I sold when it was over 21 years old. It was a quirky > thing, fun to drive, efficient, with surprising carrying capacity. But > "rust never sleeps" as Neil Young said. I'll skip the long list of > seriously rusted bits that caused me to finally give up on the car. (But > have you ever had a car's gas tank drop due to rusted and broken support > straps?) I’d be surprised if Ohio is any wetter than UK? Or Germany for that matter depending on where, my old Volvo is rust free, to the best of my knowledge don’t get any advisory during the MOT etc. > >> Our bikes have wireless electronic 1x12 shifting with two simple >> switches. It isn't automatic, if you take it literally, but simple >> enough. My wife likes it, and so do I. I see no value in memorizing >> irregular gear ratios or guessing these on the fly while riding. I can >> do that but don't miss it. > > Huh. I have never had a problem figuring where my desired gear was. It > may be because I seem to be very tolerant of gear ratios, cadences, etc. > But my three friction shifting bikes all have essentially identical > "half step" gearing, so I'm very, very used to that. > 1 by even if not electronic is much easier system to use, with down or up shift. And doesn’t get stuck between chainrings ie how much am I cross chaining do I need to shift down and then up on the cassette hence my old commute bikes 1-10 is lot more liveable with than the 3-9 which absolutely had better range but for the commute was tedious. The ability to drop a lot of gears with a double is useful I find and I like the relatively low cost of 10s stuff and the gearing range with the GRX rear mech. Roger Merriman