Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Radey Shouman Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Thoughts on industrial design Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 13:13:05 -0400 Organization: None of the above Lines: 87 Message-ID: <87ecx91ske.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <46001kphubacjqt5mf8ttmfa1igp58v4mf@4ax.com> <87tt66ikz8.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <874iy5zqcm.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <87zffxy7k8.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0c58d629f61d3605bff6cc252935a3d1"; logging-data="751595"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/HSPmX/6l00l3YHeEqIaWGrBqAwY2vK5o=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:SeGlbMN/KFI+3egvKLLHlQxDhnI= sha1:pyt2QU7vhxRX2K74Yt2nE1CjyhY= Bytes: 5413 Roger Merriman writes: > Radey Shouman wrote: >> Roger Merriman writes: >> >>> Radey Shouman wrote: >>>> Jeff Liebermann writes: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 19:52:43 -0400, Radey Shouman >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jeff Liebermann writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A helmet like this would be better: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't >>>>>>> tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders >>>>>>> head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic >>>>>>> shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head >>>>>>> protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white >>>>>>> thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of >>>>>>> the planet: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not a thobe -- two parts, trousers. He's wearing a shalwar kameez, >>>>>> perhaps in Pakistan or Afghanistan. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. That seems correct. (I'm obviously not an expert on Muslim >>>>> fashions): >>>>> >>>>> "Shalwars have been traditionally worn in a wide region which includes >>>>> Eastern Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. The kameez is >>>>> a long shirt or tunic." >>>>> >>>>> Southern Asia includes Pakistan and Afghanistan: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> However, I believe it is acceptable to wear a thobe over pants: >>>>> >>>> >>>> Those pictures do not look like what is called a "thobe" on the Arabian >>>> peninsula, which falls to close to the ankles, more or less. Perhaps >>>> "thobe" has multiple meanings in different countries, like "jumper" has >>>> in English. >>>> >>> >>> Language has that quality, even if it nominally is the same language, Welsh >>> Now just means yup I’ve heard you it’s on my list! >> >> No idea on shades of immediacy in Wales. I do know that "pants" sounds >> quite different in the UK than it does in the US. >> > > Yup underwear! And, if I understand correctly, a term of general abuse: "Flying Pigeons are pants". See also "suspenders" and "vest". > For a uk audience it would signify that it’s intended for a Us market or > hadn’t bothered to think beyond a US market, which may or may not matter. > > For example remember some MTB tyre range being launched and UK Journalists > asking where the wet conditions tyres were? As US and to be fair number of > European brands are based in much dryer places that tend to dry dusty > conditions, rather than slop! They might not have had tires for wet conditions, which would have been hard to change. Getting the diction right ought to be simpler, but does still go wrong. --