Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mild Shock Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2025 09:55:12 +0100 Message-ID: References: <11ed9ce5561647a339178272953d5c1a@www.novabbs.com> <6777e84c$0$16826$426a74cc@news.free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2025 08:55:10 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="2310312"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Cancel-Lock: sha1:fJmgRcRurmmQpY6jMDtT8bmYOtk= In-Reply-To: X-User-ID: eJwFwQEBACAIA7BKIv+FOIrSP4IbXaZaEAU2+/WdpnQeDLalAq7aHkjolBJ7e5W8jLR79TwabWOuPDPiAzuCFLQ= Bytes: 5914 Lines: 139 Hi, Poincare is said to have never spent a long time on a problem since he believed that the subconscious would continue working on the problem while he consciously worked on another problem. So he had a self model that included some automatic processing. Mostlikely Einstein used similar techniques, Einstein is said to have slept about 10 hours a night, which is more than the average adult needs, and often took naps during the day. So both men managed and tapped into their more holistic thinking. A nice example of what is nowadays called "dual processing": Dual-process accounts of reasoning postulate that there are two systems or minds in one brain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_process_theory#Background But dual processing is now challenged a little bit. Just imagine a ChatGPT doing things when the end-user is idle? Just like a chess program that continues "thinking", when it is the opponents turn: Yuval Noah Harari: ChatGPT is the “amoeba of AI evolution” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfid5DUoSBI What will be the resulting physics? Bye Mild Shock schrieb: > Poincare has surely still a fellowship, > maybe a form of counter culture, similar like > Spencer Brown. Who halucinates a supervenient > > logic over the logics from the formal revolution, > mostly appealing to diagrammtic reasoning. > > "The mathematician Darboux claimed he was un > intuitif (an intuitive), arguing that this is > demonstrated by the fact that he worked so > often by visual representation. Jacques Hadamard > wrote that Poincaré's research demonstrated > marvelous clarity[76] and Poincaré himself wrote > that he believed that logic was not a way to > invent but a way to structure ideas and that > logic limits ideas." > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9#Character > > This is a very common psychological defense > mechanism, sometimes having even a religious > > motivation, in that it is believed that the > face of God or Angels speak to humans through > mathematics. But once again with generative > > AI and halucinating ChatGPT this humanist > monopole is challenged somehow even more. > > Mild Shock schrieb: >> >> Poincare had quite some problems with the >> formal revolution that took place as well >> in the last 100 or more years, starting with >> >> things like naive set theory and its antinomies, >> ending with computer formalized proofs of the Keppler >> packing nowadays. He wrote a lengthy book: >> >> Science and method >> by Poincaré, Henri, 1854-1912 >> https://archive.org/details/sciencemethod00poinuoft/page/n3/mode/2up >> >> His struggle starts at page 160, The New Logics. >> Similar Einstein was New Mechanics for him. >> Mostlikely Poincaré nowadays would be a form of >> >> Sabine Hossenfelder with 100 YouTube videos and >> possibly many followers. Poincaré faced the >> destiny of any old fart that became irrelevant >> >> over the time and turned into a commentator. >> >> Thomas Heger schrieb: >>> Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 21:30 schrieb Mild Shock: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Einstein had further sympathetic features: >>>> >>>> 1. avid sailor, owned several small boats >>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No >>>> >>>> 2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton >>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No >>>> >>>> 3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist." >>>>     to U.S. immigration authorities: >>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No >>>> >>>> 4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein >>>> https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/ >>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No >>>> >>>> 5. What else? >>>> >>> >>> Sure, Einstein was certainly interesting. >>> >>> Einstein was also a good musician and could play violin. >>> >>> He was most likely fluent in French, because he was friend with >>> people, who didn't speak German (Marie Curie, for instance, or George >>> Lemaitre). >>> >>> Poincare, on the other hand, was an extremely good mathematician and >>> also a very productive theoretical physicist. >>> >>> So, whom would you chose as - say- professor in theoretical physics??? >>> >>> Einstein would make an excellent musician, but Poincare would be the >>> better physicist, of course, because playing the violin wasn't >>> necessary for a physicist. >>> >>> Also sailing small boats or talking with Gödel is nice, but not >>> really a requirement for a physics professor. >>> >>> >>> TH >>> >>> ... >>> >>> >>> TH >> >