Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mike Terry Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,sci.math Subject: Re: Maximize Cistern Volume -- (cut out 4 squares (at Corners) and discard them) Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 23:29:51 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <016b2820b7160c571e97a7f320260176@www.novabbs.com> <14b4afbbf6091c2c839beec0c3c41f21@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 00:29:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d2705041d1026a08b93db71d354a828f"; logging-data="4159623"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+LvBTv9SCuKBj3qDCw9xFIgwH5S8wsBdg=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:4+xk42xQiutS2+407FmTsA3SlNo= In-Reply-To: Bytes: 2656 On 06/05/2025 20:47, Richard Tobin wrote: > In article <14b4afbbf6091c2c839beec0c3c41f21@www.novabbs.com>, > HenHanna wrote: > >> What's not at all obvious (intuitive) for me is.... why or how >> the max Volume is achieved at x=1/6 > > Note that x=1/6 makes the total area of the sides equal to the area of > the base (4/9). I wouldn't be surprised if that is a special case of > some more general result. > > -- Richard > That makes sense - when we make the 4 cutout squares bigger, increasing their side length by a very small amount s, the effect on the cistern is, broadly a) increase the height by s, which /increases/ its volume by A.s [A being the area of the base] b) decrease the "radius" of the box by s, which /decreases/ its volume by B.s [B being the area of the sides] So at the maximum volume these two effects must cancel out, and we will have A = B. Yes there are higher order changes in volume involving s^2 and higher powers, but we neglect those as small compared to first order changes. This is in effect doing calculus from scratch, ignoring higher order terms in s to get the derivative dV/dx which is set to zero. The ignoring of higher terms is like what happens in the proof of the product rule for derivatives. Mike.