Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Scan chains Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 01:04:42 +0000 Organization: Rocksolid Light Message-ID: References: <2025Apr23.194456@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <126700f99b6f97d7483bb5355d68c361@www.novabbs.org> <0b410ad93124778a2b1b3ab8fb6ec62c@www.novabbs.org> <54dcb50f7a378240447d3565f083f0bc@www.novabbs.org> <5j3SP.1331$RXsc.334@fx36.iad> <1ebeaab74e7a847fa6f9fd39adccdd1b@www.novabbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3591310"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="o5SwNDfMfYu6Mv4wwLiW6e/jbA93UAdzFodw5PEa6eU"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$aJNk/LHUwpsktrzf6wL8XuKNVkTBiuCgtpz2YTObpOaHp.Sbuwr7u X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: cb29269328a20fe5719ed6a1c397e21f651bda71 Bytes: 2189 Lines: 15 On Wed, 7 May 2025 19:03:31 +0000, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> What's the approximate cost of those scan chains. I.e. if we were to >>> take an existing working design and replace all the "flip-flop with >>> scan-chain" with "plain flip-flops", how much smaller would the >>> resulting chip be, how much faster could it run, and how much less power >>> could it consume? >> Given a 16-gate delay design with 5 gates of "flop-jitter-skew" >> the scan path adds about ½ a gate of delay (2%-ish). > > Almost lost in the noise. Thanks. Such a big gain in debugging, such a small penalty for use ... > > Stefan