Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH ---USPTO Incorporation by reference Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 16:40:32 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <3b8a5f4be53047b2a6c03f9678d0253e137d3c40@i2pn2.org> <5cd9bc55c484f10efd7818ecadf169a11fcc58e1@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 23:40:33 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="aa4b2c315dd69f41fbbb67fd39ea6537"; logging-data="3781540"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18DN/fk5aBiUNO7S+lyCQz4" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:pZKy7mflypsHjU/Wr7i+8ufJTTk= In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250221-6, 2/21/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 3214 On 2/21/2025 3:21 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 21.feb.2025 om 01:25 schreef olcott: >> On 2/20/2025 4:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> olcott wrote: >>>> On 2/20/2025 2:38 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2025-02-20 00:31:33 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>> [ .... ] >>> >>>>>> I have given everyone here all of the complete source code for a few >>>>>> years >>> >>>>> True but irrelevant. OP did not specify that HHH means that particular >>>>> code. >>> >>> >>>> Every post that I have been talking about for two or >>>> more years has referred to variations of that same code. >>> >>> Yes.  It would be a relief if you could move on to posting something new >>> and fresh. >>> >> >> As soon as people fully address rather than endlessly dodge >> my key points I will be done. >> >> Let's start with a root point. >> All of the other points validate this root point. >> >> *Simulating termination analyzer HHH correctly determines* >> *the non-halt status of DD* >> > It could be correct if this status was interpreted as the not-yet-halted > status, because it aborts the simulation and in that way misses the > halting behaviour of the input. HHH can only report wat it sees, not > what it does not see. Unless the C function HHH aborts its simulation of the C function DD this DD C function DOES NOT TERMINATE. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer