Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!earthli!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: JTEM Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Strongest evidence yet of life beyond Earth Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 18:53:19 -0400 Organization: Eek Lines: 52 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: Reply-To: jtem01@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="72822"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:rKvx7KeMg52P6iEIJN3joPtp0Io= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id A1A5522978C; Thu, 17 Apr 2025 18:53:34 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CA86229783 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2025 18:53:32 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1u5Y6m-00000003PZ8-0ydE; Fri, 18 Apr 2025 00:53:24 +0200 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9083609D7 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2025 22:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/B9083609D7; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 7747FDC01CA; Fri, 18 Apr 2025 00:53:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 00:53:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX180j1V5Ir/0s4czcBFuTE3weiLyQhyJP/k= Content-Language: en-US DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO, FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4316 https://youtu.be/qHu7uFfxFXs?feature=shared I've pointed this out many times, and of course you're going to pretend that you thought of it but, it's easier to find alien life on distant worlds than to find alien visitors to the Earth. Think about it. Well. Not you but to the hypothetical person who can think.... If aliens are visiting us then the are, at a minimum, taking some measures to keep themselves concealed. "Plausible Deniability," at the extreme least. But when it comes to distant worlds, we know of no way to hide the evidence of life. Our atmosphere is filled with the "Biosignatures" of life on our planet. Heck, at this point you can add "Technosignatures," the signs of an industrial/post industrial civilization. You may refer to these technosignatures as "Pollution" if you'd like. Anyway, by analyzing the light they can determine the composition of a distant atmosphere, and they can look for the tell tale signs of life or even industrialization. Okay, now for the bad news: The planet they're talking about, this "Strongest Evidence for Life," is over 100 light years away... 120, as the story puts it. And, if true, the story is totally wrong when it extrapolates this find into the abundance of life, and certainly intelligent life. So 120 light years away... the galaxy is maybe a thousand times bigger (estimates place it anywhere from 100 to 150 thousand light years across)... so a thousand life bearing planets, on average, or so it seems... and none what so ever that can travel to even neighboring solar systems. We can't. And the algae they think is on this distant world can't. -- https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5