Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail
From: MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: To sum up
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 22:30:14 +1100
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 62
Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org
Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org
Message-ID: <voa3k7$k9qt$2@dont-email.me>
References: <vo1kt4$2r8m5$1@dont-email.me>
 <tq29qjl9ln2s9uou8c4da1r6dpmidesnsd@4ax.com>
 <6qceqjhouj6a1r7cj9s1f7npgc406nbfqv@4ax.com> <vo7dmt$qvu$1@dont-email.me>
 <58leqjt7sftjfilii9rctp5udtul1s9qt2@4ax.com> <vo9o72$h13g$1@dont-email.me>
 <5lugqjdnsvittjen93pu5b44bq8h8tccvh@4ax.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89";
	logging-data="25310"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org"
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Cancel-Lock: sha1:BjirejF0a7uqR1lLPc/bLuhrBXc=
In-Reply-To: <5lugqjdnsvittjen93pu5b44bq8h8tccvh@4ax.com>
Content-Language: en-US
	HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,
	RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED,
	RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,
	USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
	version=3.4.6
	smtp.eternal-september.org
Bytes: 5020

On 9/02/2025 8:52 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 19:15:29 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/02/2025 12:02 am, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 22:03:57 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/02/2025 9:39 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 10:17:26 +0000, Martin Harran
>>>>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:29:54 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has talk.origins run its course, with this incarnation (post-GG
>>>>>>> meteorite impact) the last of the dinosaurs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And what of the Origins debate? My contention is that progressive
>>>>>>> discoveries with the complexity and precision of life are making Mt
>>>>>>> Improbable higher and higher [1]. ID has gained and sustained traction
>>>>>>> because this trend is real.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What evidence have you got that ID has gained and sustained traction?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> So, nothing to offer. Appears to be just another example of you
>>>>> thinking something *should* be true just because you would like it to
>>>>> be true.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No response does not equal nothing to offer, especially in this context,
>>>> as we both well know.
>>>
>>> You choosing to moan about my "cheap shot", rather than demolishing my
>>> point by offering some evidence, speaks volumes.
>>
>> Okay, I'm happy to do a reset, and accept some blame here.
> 
> For clarification - are you now dropping your claim that ID has gained
> and sustained traction?

No, the review will be my case for ID's traction, but also highlighting 
shortcomings as I see them.

I plan to address it in a separate subject. I'm snowed under with a 
working weekend, so it may be a day or two.

> 
>>
>> I am interested in reviewing the state of ID. I'm somewhat ambivalent
>> about ID myself actually, though I think it does have merit. I'll start
>> a new post to give the invitation visibility (i.e. paint a target on
>> myself).
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again, a cheap shot over substantive comment, with a disregard for
>>>> logic. I don't believe you're engaging in good faith, Martin.
>>>>
>>>
>