Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 10:55:28 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <6228e8821a203853e0f9e752b276177146d86d21@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 17:55:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b8226b0a928845ead4a9adb4b3b34c7d"; logging-data="3003413"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19QmYXzT2NMJlwXCPowI963" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:tolT5RrYzW+UbvA7iF0Z8uuMnLI= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <6228e8821a203853e0f9e752b276177146d86d21@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250509-2, 5/9/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 3826 On 5/9/2025 6:25 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 5/8/25 6:20 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/8/2025 5:13 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>> On 08/05/2025 22:41, olcott wrote: >>>> What my code actually does is totally irrelevant. >>> >>> On that, at least, we can agree. >>> >> >> That an HHH can be created that does correctly >> determine the halt status of this input is the >> whole point. >> >> int DD() >> { >>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>    if (Halt_Status) >>      HERE: goto HERE; >>    return Halt_Status; >> } >> > > Except that it doesn't, as your "input", being just that function, > doesn't HAVE a halting status. It only gets that once it is paired with > a specific version of HHH. > > If that HHH aborts its simulation and returns 0, then it halts, and that > HHH wasn't a correct halt decider. > > Since you claim that is what you HHH does, and that would be the DD that > it is given, it is thus clear that when we fix your input to be what you > intend, your claim is false. > > That you keep making your "clearly false due to the category error in > it" claim just shows your stupidity. > > You just don't understand the basic meaning of the terms you use, > because you decided it would be better to be ignorant, then to know you > are wrong. You try to get away with changing the subject from this: void DDD() { HHH(DDD); return; } When 1 or more statements of DDD are correctly simulated by HHH then this correctly simulated DDD cannot possibly reach its own “return statement”. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer