Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com (LDagget) Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Paradoxes Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 21:19:17 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <8e030e55b2e485b9da37c2143a571915@www.novabbs.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="50003"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Rocksolid Light To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id BE26E229782; Wed, 15 Jan 2025 16:21:39 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 811F4229765 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2025 16:21:37 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id 1tYApP-000000013NA-0QzG; Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:21:31 +0100 id 7DE1159803B; Wed, 15 Jan 2025 21:21:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Injection-Info: ; posting-account="fegc7bsF1eMdQ+K4/V59MDLZ0W7qYnKpXoBXaiJNWpk"; X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$1xYm9pDgFUZirnTYg..JFOOufpMpibwH6H7M1DphMSO/Zqxz18I5m X-Rslight-Posting-User: e316cd0a5543fde25fc288f0018b16e943af38c6 Bytes: 2776 Lines: 25 On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 8:04:55 +0000, MarkE wrote: > Potential paradoxes are of particular interest because if unresolved, > they may indicate not just difficultly but impossibility. > > Benner's framing remark is noteworthy: "Discussed here is an alternative > approach to guide research into the origins of life, one that focuses on > 'paradoxes', pairs of statements, both grounded in theory and > observation, that (taken together) suggest that the 'origins problem' > cannot be solved." Seems to me that framing things as paradoxes is a transparently deceptive sophistry. It displaces the actual argument's details to a categorical that pretends to be a fundamental problem. Thus we get chicken and egg paradoxes. Can't get one without the other --- see it's a paradox. Or you get sophistry like zeno's paradox, or the liar's paradox. They are games on sets up by language that superficially sounds fair and reasonable but ultimately embed a hidden absurdity in their premises.