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From: Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.groups.proposals
Subject: Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator
Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 10:45:59 EDT
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	I've created the following email addresses (currently aliased to
	one of my mailboxes) for articles to comp.newprod, comp.simulation,
	comp.std.announce and rec.photo.moderated, respectively:

comp-newprod-submit@newsmod.am-1.org
comp-simulation-submit@newsmod.am-1.org
comp-std-announce-submit@newsmod.am-1.org
rec-photo-moderated-submit@newsmod.am-1.org

	It's possible to submit articles by email, such as explained in
	[1], though see the bottom of this article.

[1] http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Moderated_newsgroups#How_can_I_bypass_my_News_Service_Provider?

	I plan to use my existing Eternal September account to inject
	the approved articles.  It dawned on me, however, that allowing
	that same account to be used by co-moderators (should there be
	any), such as via the web interface I intended to deploy, would
	perhaps be seen as abuse, so instead I will be providing access
	to the queue for the co-moderators to pick articles from there,
	and post the approved ones via their own accounts.  (Having an
	account that allows posting Approved: articles thus becomes a
	requirement for prospective co-moderators.)  Alternatively, I
	can add a co-moderator's email to my aliases(5), so they get
	copies of new submissions.

	Once the Board confirms me as the new moderator, and I'm granted
	the permission to post Approved: articles at E-S, I'll post short
	announcements to these groups on them now being operational.

	I'm going to forgo signing the articles for now, as that does
	not /seem/ to be a strict requirement.

	In the unlikely case that there'll be significant interest,
	I'll consider deploying my own INN instance to be used by
	co-moderators.


	With regards to submitting articles via email.

	First, make sure your message has a proper Newsgroups: header.
	(At some point I'm going to configure my Exim instance to
	reject emails to the addresses above lacking one.)

	Also, it's my recommendation that submitted messages have a
	valid email address in the envelope (MAIL FROM:; and preferrably
	also a valid DKIM signature) but /not/ in the From: header,
	as the latter is indexed in the newsserver overview data (OVER
	/ XOVER), making it easy for abusers to harvest.

	On a Unix-like system with properly configured mail delivery,
	the following example /usr/sbin/sendmail invocation can be used
	as a starting point (tested on Debian GNU/Linux "Bookworm", but
	if I'm reading sendmail(1) correctly, it should also work on
	NetBSD just as well):

$ cat < newspost 
>From: Alice <alice@nowhere.invalid>
Reply-To: Alice <alice@example.net>
>Newsgroups: example.newsgroup
Message-Id: <k9jluEK3D9GNCJR-yKcIdRiIsWgOR792@example.invalid>
>Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 08:24:48 +0000
>Subject: test 

This is a test message.
$ /usr/sbin/sendmail \
      -f alice@example.net \
      example-newsgroup-submit@example.com \
      < newspost