Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: silca and Tariffs Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 11:22:31 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 144 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 18:22:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="798514a0ba31de1f9a869e4cf3506ba2"; logging-data="1254236"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18GNft6aQ5w5PQZ0GmzOXWA" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ElBVtVijs/SvXUA2C9XwCXR7qiw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 6834 On 5/12/2025 10:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote: > On 5/12/2025 8:55 AM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote: >>> On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote: >>>> On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow  wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Goes both ways. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, >>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>> virtually impossible to import in to USA.  For the >>>>>>>> past 120 >>>>>>>> years across every administration. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>     Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that >>>>>>> price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an >>>>>>> oligopoly. The "big >>>>>>> corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to >>>>>>> pay what they >>>>>>> promised and when they give the land back nothing >>>>>>> will grow on it. >>>>>>> Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In >>>>>>> three years it's >>>>>>> sand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>     There's a reason why the Chinese government  will >>>>>>> not allow >>>>>>> planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking >>>>>>> decades in the >>>>>>> future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>      I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar- >>>>>>> cane farms are >>>>>>> far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy >>>>>>> methods. Machines don't >>>>>>> have to feed their children or invest in bettering >>>>>>> their education. >>>>>>> They're cheaper than slaves.... >>>>>>>     []'s >>>>>> >>>>>> WTF?  And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else >>>>>> interfered >>>>>> with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political >>>>>> issue?? >>>>> >>>>>     Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or >>>>> Dilma tried to >>>>> they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is >>>>> illegal here. But >>>>> the justice system still from the far right 1964 US- >>>>> Brazilian Military >>>>> coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely >>>>> rare for someone >>>>> "outside" to become a judge. >>>>>     I don't think a slave master has ever been >>>>> convicted to jail. >>>>> Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> escravo-e- trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/> >>>>> >>>>>     (the law and the fact that nothing is being done. >>>>> That page is >>>>> an official one from our "justice" department) >>>>> >>>>>     15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They >>>>> haven't >>>>> invented machines that can do that automatically. >>>>> Nestle, JAB and >>>>> Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye. >>>>>     Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing >>>>> workers in >>>>> the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They >>>>> charge more for food >>>>> than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never >>>>> resign, not until >>>>> he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they >>>>> said that the >>>>> workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was >>>>> happening. LOL. >>>>> >>>>>     And of course, there are no unions in the >>>>> agricultural area, >>>>> so there is no-one to defend the slaves. >>>>> >>>>>     The mechanical industry has it much better. Low >>>>> salaries, but >>>>> the unions insure  the workers get pensions, medical >>>>> care, sick pay, >>>>> accident insurance and holidays. >>>>>     []'s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we >>>> do here. Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END >>>> slavery and he was a Republican. The left, "Democrats" >>>> were the slaveholders >>> >>> Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated >>> by the democrat party up until the passage of the Civil >>> Rights Act. Now the slave states are dominated by >>> republicans. If you're going to attempt to give a non- >>> American a lesson in American history, you'd do well to >>> not lie by omissions. >>> >> >> Complex thought, that. >> >> The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s >> through 1960s was driven by Republicans in Congress, >> notably Mr Dirksen, despite an epic Democrat Party >> filibuster and other impedimenta.  There were powerful >> passionate Members on both sides in both parties, although >> decisively more Republicans to secure passage. > > Right, and in those days republicans were the dominant party > in the former non-slave states. The roles of the democrat > and republican parties have largely reversed between the end > of the civil war and the passage of the civil rights act. > Claiming "Lincoln caused the civil war to END slavery and he > was a Republican. The left, "Democrats" were the > slaveholders" leaves a lot of the conversation. > > >> > > Not really. Democrats, as is typical, lost seats in 1962 but not in the solidly Dixiecrat South. Check the map: https://united-states-government-simulation.fandom.com/wiki/1962_United_States_Senate_Elections -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971