Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: dbush Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR--- Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 17:58:42 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <2002d599ebdfb7cd5a023881ab2faca9801b219d@i2pn2.org> <4426787ad065bfd0939e10b937f3b8b2798d0578@i2pn2.org> <920b573567d204a5c792425b09097d79ee098fa5@i2pn2.org> <4453bc0c1141c540852ea2223a7fedefc93f564c@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 23:58:43 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c14993851bff7f2fc4c0464fbde9e46c"; logging-data="373152"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+jdsE5ajsh60lULJJSZ97s" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xpoaNY/fI4wRHPX2lqoLT3q4NYM= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3299 On 3/8/2025 5:42 PM, olcott wrote: > On 3/8/2025 9:00 AM, dbush wrote: >> On 3/8/2025 9:03 AM, olcott wrote: >>> >>> Apparently you don't understand that inputs to a >>> simulating termination analyzer specifying infinite >>> recursion or recursive emulation cannot possibly >>> reach their own final state and terminate normally. >> >> Apparently you don't understand that inputs to a termination analyzer, >> simulating or otherwise, are specified by the specification that is >> the halting function: >> >> (,Y) maps to 1 if and only if X(Y) halts when executed directly >> (,Y) maps to 0 if and only if X(Y) does not halt when executed >> >> And HHH(DD)==0 fails to meet the above specification > > *THIS IS A SEMANTIC TAUTOLOGY THUS IMPOSSIBLY FALSE* > Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and > subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly reach > its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally > because DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation. > > It is ridiculously stupid to believe that HHH must > report on behavior other than the above behavior. > It must if it is to be classified as a halt decider or termination analyzer as per the definition.