Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Re: Microsoft Introduces New Command-Line Text Editor Date: 21 May 2025 03:08:13 GMT Lines: 78 Message-ID: References: <100hcgj$2502r$1@dont-email.me> <100ip1s$2d97u$1@dont-email.me> <100jddl$2kse5$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net MLSVcC+FQS8QZ7MKqTnfAwRxdCNHxByNPgMhuCmj5YltH53Y4Y Cancel-Lock: sha1:XZRVj7JexA3ZHc9OTp+SNtOiHLo= sha256:qXHVKzIBXkcmpI6gXK7b5+IW9sBA48noaFf1GihImgI= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Hmm4; 7b109588; Linux-6.14.7) Bytes: 4455 On Wed, 21 May 2025 02:22:45 -0000 (UTC), pH wrote in <100jddl$2kse5$1@dont-email.me>: > On 2025-05-20, Jeff Barnett wrote: >> On 5/20/2025 1:25 PM, rbowman wrote: >>> On Tue, 20 May 2025 07:54:59 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> Microsoft also wanted to avoid the “how do I exit vim?” meme, so >>>> it built its own text editor instead of relying on other >>>> available options. >>> >>> I'll admit I wondered how to exit vim, or the original vi to be >>> specific, >>> but that was 45 years or so ago. >> In the early 1980s (approximately when you were trapped in the vim >> maze) >> an excited colleague told me I just had to try out some new version of >> EMACS running on our PDP10 farm at ISI - I had been using some other >> editor. I was having some fun figuring out a few simple commands; then >> I tried to exit: ctr x, ctr q, etc. After 15 minutes I screamed for >> help. I avoided EMACS after that until a few years latter when I was >> using the grown up adult version integrated into the Symbolics Lisp >> Machine's development environment. Life had changed for the good. > > I'd install "joe" since I'm a WordStar fan. > > From the joe manpage.... > > syntax > joe [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]... > jstar [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]... > jmacs [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]... > rjoe [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]... > jpico [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]... > > Description > JOE is a powerful console screen editor. It has a "mode-less" > user in‐ terface which is similar to many user-friendly PC > editors. Users of Mi‐ cro-Pro´s WordStar or Borland´s "Turbo" > languages will feel at home. JOE is a full featured UNIX > screen-editor though, and has many features for editing programs > and text. > > JOE also emulates several other editors. JSTAR is a close > imitation of WordStar with many "JOE" extensions. JPICO is a > close imitation of the Pine mailing system´s PICO editor, but > with many extensions and improve‐ > ments. JMACS is a GNU-EMACS imitation. RJOE is a restricted > version of JOE, which allows you to edit only the files > specified on the command line. > > Although JOE is actually five different editors, it still > requires only one executable, but one with five different > names. The name of the edi‐ tor with an "rc" appended gives the > name of JOE´s initialization file, which determines the > personality of the editor. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > It does not seem to have vi(m) in there....oh well. > > pH in Aptos I, too, am a fan of joe. Have used it since 1992, when it came with the MCC Interim distribution of Linux. Since most of the people using our student-access system were familiar with BBS editors, joe was the default editor on our system. (I can use vi, but I like to say I use it to edit the Makefile so I can build joe. ;) ) Oh: And it's in Cygwin, so no reason not to use joe on Windows. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.7 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Editing is a rewording activity."