Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: How to write a self-referencial TM? Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 12:24:36 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1002jkk$2k00a$3@dont-email.me> References: <1e4f1a15826e67e7faf7a3c2104d09e9dadc6f06.camel@gmail.com> <1002akp$2i4bk$2@dont-email.me> <479eebef3bd93e82c8fe363908b254b11d15a799.camel@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 19:24:37 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1b4c815c0318038d25de37dcdc1ad225"; logging-data="2752522"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19H72ZDp+rWWih0M5+26o/G" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:39+kktyGZhxNVDeZZJbJ561f+7Q= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250514-4, 5/14/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <479eebef3bd93e82c8fe363908b254b11d15a799.camel@gmail.com> Bytes: 1983 On 5/14/2025 11:43 AM, wij wrote: > On Wed, 2025-05-14 at 09:51 -0500, olcott wrote: >> On 5/14/2025 12:13 AM, wij wrote: >>> Q: Write a turing machine that performs D function (which calls itself): >>> >>> void D() { >>>   D(); >>> } >>> >>> Easy? >>> >>> >> >> That is not a TM. > > It is a C program that exists. Therefore, there must be a equivalent TM. > >> To make a TM that references itself the closest >> thing is a UTM that simulates its own TM source-code. > > How does a UTM simulate its own TM source-code? > You run a UTM that has its own source-code on its tape. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer