Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN --- Saving Democracy Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 19:59:30 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 02:59:30 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d7f5243c959a7602a776d3f4f3c46b69"; logging-data="1625071"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19FinQqVqnOfj60xnR69Fpi" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6i+T46MamfM9UdTX9k56SklAAj0= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250224-8, 2/24/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3744 On 2/24/2025 7:51 PM, dbush wrote: > On 2/24/2025 8:47 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 2/24/2025 7:26 PM, dbush wrote: >>> On 2/24/2025 8:12 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 2/24/2025 6:06 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>> On 2/24/2025 6:16 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 2/24/2025 3:47 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 4:26 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> HHH that aborts its simulation and a purely >>>>>> hypothetical (imaginary never implemented) >>>>>> HHH that never aborts its simulation. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Same thing.  F aborts its (admittedly poor) simulation by breaking >>>>> out of a recursive chain, and a hypothetical F that performs a >>>>> correct unaborted simulation. >>>> >>>> The simple fact that the hypothetical HHH would never >>>> terminate conclusively proves that DD specifies behavior >>>> that cannot possibly terminate normally. >>> >>> And the simple fact that the hypothetical F would never terminate >>> conclusively proves that no_numbers_greater_than_10 specifies >>> behavior that cannot possibly terminate normally. >>> >>> Agreed? >> >> I will not discuss your code. >> > > I'll let you respond to yourself here: > > On 11/10/2024 11:41 PM, olcott wrote: > > That is a dishonest dodge. An honest rebuttal would explain > > all of the details of how I am incorrect. You can't do that > > because I am correct. > > Your code is not isomorphic to my code thus an irrelevant change of subject away from the point. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer