Path: ...!news.tomockey.net!news.samoylyk.net!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Paul.B.Andersen" Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Muon paradox Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2025 14:55:38 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <1f71496841d33e33c17081dab4e92631@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2025 14:50:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dc131cf7a772343da63224db4888c11c"; logging-data="3652276"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/PnrApzrk/uRpsh/4IoXWh" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:P9TkAaFUGKeLr1s1u1FGS5/kNNA= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <1f71496841d33e33c17081dab4e92631@www.novabbs.com> Bytes: 3509 Den 03.04.2025 22:56, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen: > On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 8:39:24 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote: >> >> The measured FACTS are: >> The measured mean lifetime of a stationary muon is 2.2 μs >> The measured mean lifetime of a muon moving at 0.999668⋅c is 85.36 μs. >> >> Do you really not understand how ridiculous it is to claim >> that these facts do not exist because you "know" they can't exist? >> >> You don't know the difference between science and religion. >> >> You _believe_ SR is nonsense, and ignore facts to keep your faith. >> > Time dilation is an illogical interpretation. You mean a counter intuitive interpretation according to YOUR intuition. "Time dilation" is a real phenomenon, just like gravitation. Neither can be logically deduced from first principles, so to say it is illogical is a meaningless statement. ("Time dilation" can be logically deduced from the postulates of SR. But that is not "first principles" in philosophical sense.) > That they live longer is an interpretation that is scientific. Yet another demonstration of your ignorance of what "time dilation" is. It is meaningless to say that muons live longer than themself. A muon has a mean lifetime = 2.2 μs in its rest frame. The same muon, at the same time, has a mean lifetime 85.36 μs in the Earth-frame. Time dilation is the phenomenon that the measured time between two events on an object's world-line depend on the frame of reference in which it is measured. The 2.2 μs and 85.36 μs are two different times between the same two events on the same muon. The difference is that the two times are measured in two different frames of reference. Counter intuitive? Sure! But that's how Mother Nature works. She doesn't care about what you find intuitive. ------------------- Your intuition is shaped by your experiences. What you never have experienced will be counter intuitive to you. It is a strange phenomenon that some people thinks that their intuition trumps experimental evidence. What do you think? -- Paul https://paulba.no/