Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 22:53:50 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: <08508353c793195b12c3d1ee161d4f98117edeea@i2pn2.org> <78278c992d775e04b5e419a5d91211f60b1d1258@i2pn2.org> <916619eca9efaac302dc83d59753075a7691a1d5@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 05:53:51 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a03081617d28bac14ed375682a08b36d"; logging-data="2403637"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/8jriXc4Sl9eFGGfqmSnYf" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Qpa0RQl5TyZaWbT64d1DDs2HdQQ= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250304-10, 3/4/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <916619eca9efaac302dc83d59753075a7691a1d5@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4232 On 3/4/2025 10:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 3/4/25 7:42 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/4/2025 5:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 3/4/25 9:32 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 3/4/2025 6:29 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 3/3/25 10:07 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> int DD() >>>>>> { >>>>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>>>>>    if (Halt_Status) >>>>>>      HERE: goto HERE; >>>>>>    return Halt_Status; >>>>>> } >>>>>> >>>>>> _DD() >>>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping >>>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >>>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local >>>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD >>>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) >>>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04 >>>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax >>>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 >>>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f >>>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d >>>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04] >>>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp >>>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp >>>>>> [00002155] c3         ret >>>>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] >>>>>> >>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly >>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally. >>>> >>>> *Proves that the input to HHH(DD) can be rejected as non-halting* >>> >>> No, it proves that the HHH that rejects the input, didn't do a >>> correct simulation, and thus was looking at the wrong input, because >>> you don't understand what a program is. >>> >>> DD only is non-halting if *THE* HHH (and there is only one at any >>> time) never aborts. SInce HHH musts abort its emulation to "reject" >>> the input, it proves it didn't do the needed correct emulation, and >>> you are shown to be just a blantant liar. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> And the HHH that correctly emulated DD, can't be a decider and answer. >>>>> >>>>> Also. "the HHH", defined in your Halt7.c doesn't do that, >>>> >>>> The only valid rebuttal is to show all of the steps of >>>> exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its >>>> own "ret" instruction. >>>> >>>> Failing to provide the above proves that you are clueless >>>> about this code. >>>> >>>> >>> Nope, I have shown why your logic is wrong, >> >> If that was true you could show this with >> something besides rhetoric and double-talk. >> > > That you call all I say as just rhetoric just shows how stupid you are. > DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally. AND YOU CAN'T SHOW OTHERWISE -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer