Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Analysis_of_Flibble=E2=80=99s_Latest=3A_Detecting_v?= =?UTF-8?Q?s=2E_Simulating_Infinite_Recursion_ZFC?= Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 10:55:42 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <100vehv$1en90$1@dont-email.me> References: <100l09v$2tae8$5@dont-email.me> <100l1ov$2ul3j$1@dont-email.me> <100l3jh$2v0e9$1@dont-email.me> <100l5c8$2ul3j$2@dont-email.me> <100l75g$2vpq3$1@dont-email.me> <100l887$2ul3i$2@dont-email.me> <100l9gh$30aak$1@dont-email.me> <100lc4o$30pgm$1@dont-email.me> <100ld1u$312c9$1@dont-email.me> <100lg4g$31jt3$1@dont-email.me> <100lkdv$32ib3$1@dont-email.me> <100lmif$32v06$1@dont-email.me> <100lmp3$32ven$1@dont-email.me> <100m319$38k55$2@dont-email.me> <87jz69xlpx.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <100mder$39slu$2@dont-email.me> <100oipb$3oge1$1@dont-email.me> <87a573xz0s.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <875xhrtbpr.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <100r2mb$b2b1$1@dont-email.me> <100r4oq$b650$1@dont-email.me> <100r5bf$b5vm$4@dont-email.me> <100r5hn$b650$2@dont-email.me> <100r648$bhcu$1@dont-email.me> <100r68v$b650$3@dont-email.me> <100sn6a$p071$1@dont-email.me> <100snl3$nvac$1@dont-email.me> <100sr6o$ppn2$3@dont-email.me> <100uqro$1an9v$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 17:55:43 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="800f53e41d24e03ecbdf95207701d21d"; logging-data="1531168"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/E1S6RScf4EZi0ude0/OU1" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:s8Bn8AcSiJnHeEVTP65s4QdvAB4= In-Reply-To: <100uqro$1an9v$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250525-0, 5/24/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3113 On 5/25/2025 5:19 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: > On 24/05/2025 17:13, olcott wrote: >> No HHH can report on the behavior of its caller > > From Halt7.c: > > void DDD() > { >   HHH(DDD); >   return; > } > > Since (as you say) no HHH can report on the behaviour of its caller, and > since (as your code shows) DDD is HHH's caller, we deduce that HHH > cannot report on DDD. > > So HHH is not (according to you) a halt analyser for DDD. > > I'm not sure you've left anything to discuss, have you? > HHH(DDD) does correctly reject *ITS INPUT THUS NOT ITS CALLER* as non-halting. For 90 years people have gotten confused on this issue misconstruing the computation that HHH is contained within as exactly one and the same thing as its own input. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer