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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information. Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 10:19:46 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 106 Message-ID: References: <7kmcflxsfb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <3lj92kth9m1cjjib8peq04tta6fecer0bv@4ax.com> <023a2k1v735395t0crgdfq36acujgn24gq@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 19:19:47 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ca044b3c630b3816c0414d968f5641d7"; logging-data="1163867"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+WwauDUofo/nOkFTvL3GCu" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:HHZPDGQA56wGqzu/OBYT0m4mHic= Bytes: 5764 On Sat, 17 May 2025 02:46:26 +0200, "Carlos E. R." wrote: >On 2025-05-15 17:54, john larkin wrote: >> On Thu, 15 May 2025 11:22:42 -0400, Joe Gwinn >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 14 May 2025 19:38:09 -0400, Phil Hobbs >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-05-14 17:37, john larkin wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2025 21:10:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R." >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2025-05-14 19:19, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 22:28:23 +0200, "Carlos E.R." >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2025-05-13 18:14, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2025 11:48 pm, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:57:47 +0200, "Carlos E.R." >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nukes are great, but not if you tear them down. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nukes are remarkably expensive, and depressingly inflexible. Radiation >>>>>>>>> damage to the structure means that you do have to tear them down after a >>>>>>>>> few decades of use, and the radioactive waste starts off very >>>>>>>>> radioactive, and the longer-lived isotopes have to be managed for a few >>>>>>>>> hundred thousand years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And the investors building the stations do not consider the cost of >>>>>>>> managing the waste for centuries. They leave that part to the >>>>>>>> government. In Spain, we don't have any long term nuclear waste storage. >>>>>>>> I think we rent storage in France, so the waste has to be transported >>>>>>>> there. We have some storage at each station, a large water pool. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The best thing to do with used fuel rods is reprocess them into more >>>>>>> fuel. >>>>>> >>>>>> Something that is expensive and not every country can do. >>>>> >>>>> A couple of very remote places in the world could do that. And we'd >>>>> get lots of fun isotopes too. Can't leave hot rods in a zillion pools >>>>> forever. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> When that's not feasible, dig a deep hole and dump it in. Or drop >>>>>>> barrels of junk into an ocean subduction zone. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's simply wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's irrational to store nuclear waste locally. Nuke policy is mostly >>>>>>> fear driven. And nukes are unpopular in some quarters by people who >>>>>>> really don't want us to have affordable, safe energy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a very rational and studied fear of nuclear power. >>>>> >>>>> Why? It's very safe when done carefully. >>>>> >>>>> The little modular reactors sound cool. >>>> >>>> Putting used nuclear fuel someplace deepish underground is important. >>>> While a nuclear war would be very very bad, surface storage makes it >>>> much, much worse. >>>> >>>> The Chernobyl disaster released about 3.5% of the core inventory of one >>>> reactor out of four.(*) >>>> >>>> One Hiroshima-size bomb on top of a comparable large nuke plant could >>>> release all the inventory in all four cores, which would be about >>>> 4/0.035 ~ 114 times worse than Chernobyl. >>>> >>>> If the site included extensive spent-fuel pools, the total would be >>>> correspondingly larger--maybe 500 Chernobyls, maybe more. And that's >>>> just one installation. >>>> >>>> Not a bad score for one small bomb--there are lots bigger ones. :( >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Phil Hobbs >>>> >>>> (*) >>>> >>> >>> I'd be tempted to put hot waste in very heavy steel casks and drop >>> them into the Mariana Trench: >>> >>> . >>> >>> It's 11 Km deep, and is where the Pacific Plate is subducting under >>> the Mariana plate, so those caskets are in for the long term. Nor is >>> retrieval all that easy, or a nuclear weapon of much consequence. If >>> it even works under such pressure. >>> >>> Joe >> >> Yes. Waste can be mixed into concrete or vitrified and dumped tens of >> thousands of feet into a trench. Only irrational fear prevents that. > >On the contrary, it is a very rational knowledge that prevents it. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yqnzw03oxlhqsecta7idt/Afraid.jpg?rlkey=rwrf5e1felkvjbqy8wrv2ah5t&raw=1