Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Robert Woodward Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: John Grimes (A Bertram Chandler) - a little help? Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 22:12:10 -0700 Organization: home user Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <10083hn$3s9qp$1@dont-email.me> <10085kh$f7h$1@reader1.panix.com> <52bh2khapk2spk7de2enspq6f7ondqdbam@4ax.com> <100anfo$ho3b$1@dont-email.me> X-Trace: individual.net Wao9ai/3Ibd+PJZLJStv8QnAgjTZRbuaWsB7YQOZNP9kIZeYvX X-Orig-Path: robertaw Cancel-Lock: sha1:EzN/PWfZve5qSFjnRvSivbpLa2I= sha256:VxfCfbnf5a2jOlhEvU3t1KYrEYXZXalMDzFapyF0+KA= User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (Intel Mac OS X) Bytes: 3887 In article <100anfo$ho3b$1@dont-email.me>, William Hyde wrote: > Paul S Person wrote: > > On Fri, 16 May 2025 22:57:57 -0700, Robert Woodward > > wrote: > > > >> In article <10085kh$f7h$1@reader1.panix.com>, > >> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote: > >> > >>> In article <10083hn$3s9qp$1@dont-email.me>, > >>> Tony Nance wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I was looking at my shelves for something to read next, and I realized I > >>>> have roughly a dozen novels set in the Rim universe. A few feature Derek > >>>> Calver, set before John Grimes emerges as the main protagonist; and > >>>> almost all of my Grimes novels are set early in his career. > >>>> > >>>> Both isfdb and wikipedia give a pretty good in-universe chronological > >>>> order, and of course it's pretty easy to figure out publication order as > >>>> well. > >>>> > >>>> Any advice on how to go about reading this series? Is it important to > >>>> read the Calver stories first? Anything I should be aware of that can't > >>>> be deduced from isfdb? > >>>> > >>> As I recall, they were written out of order in an era when books were > >>> expected to stand on their own. For the most part, each volume tells > >>> you what you needed to know to enjoy that book. Actually, I don't > >>> remember any that do not. > >>> > >>> That said, some do reference previous events. I would not read > >>> the Far Traveller or Star Courier before The Big Black Mark. > >> > >> In my case, I have not read _The Big Black Mark_ (though I have heard of > >> it - was it inspired by Bligh's first mutiny?*), but I have read _The > >> Far Traveller_ and _Star Courier_. > > > > /Mutiny on the Bounty/ was. /Men Against the Sea/, though, it the real > > winner in the trilogy. IMHO, of course. > > > > My favorite version is, inevitably, the MAD Movie Satire "Mutiny on > > the Bouncy". > > > >> *IIRC, _The Anarch Lords_ was inspired by Bligh's third mutiny. Since I > >> haven't read all of the Grimes stories, I don't know if there is one > >> inspired by Bligh's second mutiny. > > > > The second mutiny is ... hard to find on Bing. "Bligh's second mutiny" > > mostly brings up articles on the first mutiny, and the one that tells > > of it is mostly about the first mutiny. > > > It was a part of the larger Spithead and Nore mutinies, over pay among > other things, and not particularly due to Bligh. Wikipedia has a brief > article on the mutinies, though Bligh is not mentioned. > The wikipedia article on the HMS "Director" (launched 1784 and linked to the William Bligh page as one of the 23 ships he served on, 12 as captain, including her) mentions that the crew participated in the Nore mutiny. -- "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement." Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —----------------------------------------------------- Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com