Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 21:27:42 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <473a9a152c792a48c83eea569551035994c9d04f@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 03:27:42 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8d9fae9b580e8711ad83dbe3d7670742"; logging-data="1743424"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+A4rkP5bZEclZ/rhyGbfDR" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:AHgSLY4eyYlUYZPtdJQAf9fp0tM= In-Reply-To: <473a9a152c792a48c83eea569551035994c9d04f@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250310-8, 3/10/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 2460 On 3/10/2025 9:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 3/10/25 7:41 PM, olcott wrote: >> typedef void (*ptr)(); >> int HHH(ptr P); >> >> void Infinite_Loop() >> { >>    HERE: goto HERE; >>    return; >> } >> >> void Infinite_Recursion() >> { >>    Infinite_Recursion(); >>    return; >> } >> >> void DDD() >> { >>    HHH(DDD); >>    return; >> } >> >> int DD() >> { >>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>    if (Halt_Status) >>      HERE: goto HERE; >>    return Halt_Status; >> } >> >> That when HHH correctly emulates N steps of the >> above functions that none of these functions can >> possibly reach their own "return" instruction >> and terminate normally. >> >> Since HHH does see that same pattern that competent >> C programmers see it correctly aborts its emulation >> and rejects these inputs as non terminating. >> > > Problem: DD Isn't a program, and if you try to compile it, you will get > an undiefined symbol HHH. > HHH need not be a program for this correct thought experiment. The only detail required to know about HHH is that it correctly emulates N steps of DD. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer