Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime) Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 02:09:50 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <5dbcf9237189246b98dee451ccd20b8a@www.novabbs.com> References: <31c157534183ddc0956f4b7fafb50192@www.novabbs.com> <1b0abc515085fef30dcded2eadb68f23@www.novabbs.com> <5227ae9dd312926e9ce31400d723e8c1@www.novabbs.com> <5c9f72d12fa796806beae5605c395dee@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1183484"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="9yNNWN6S3jCL2bQghupeZ7yt9QQF3aIiWb2guQimaIw"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$zrDFY/gVAYuT1W0wbv09aO4UjaUaos0lXQ29cTfQ9cth8G4WL0J7m X-Rslight-Posting-User: e04a750cbe04de725ce24a46bcc3953c76236e3b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 8522 Lines: 179 On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 0:12:29 +0000, W.Dockery wrote: > On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 22:40:46 +0000, HarryLime wrote: > >> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:21:42 +0000, George J. Dance wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka >>> "HarryLime" wrote: >>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote: >>>> >>> snip >>> >>>>>> At some point Jim and Pickles got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg. I >>>>>> don't recall who started it. >>>>> >>>>> Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into >>>>> flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a >>>>> Pickering troll. >>>> >>>> You're opening sentence is a delusional lie, George. I never formed any >>>> team. There was no "Team Monkey." >>>> >>>> I was on a friendly basis with Jim from the first time he posted here >>>> (that is to say, the first time after my having joined the group). >>> >>> Everyone was on a friendly basis with him originally; he mostly posted >>> his own poetry; mostly the same dozen or less poems that we'd all read, >>> with the titles constantly changing so we'd read them again, but no one >>> flamed him for that. If he got into a flamewar with Stephan over >>> Ginsberg (and I'll accept your claim that that came first), that would >>> have been his first flamewar. But when he got into his flamewar with >>> Stephan (possibly because he was upset that Stephan had been "impolite" >>> to him), and because you were also upset that Stephan had been >>> "impolite" to you), the two of you began to flame Stephan together. You >>> went from having a friendly relationship to forming a troll alliance. >> >> Wrong. >> >> We remained in a friendly relationship. >> >> Fighting Pickles did not affect this in any way. >> >> >>>> When NancyGene first came to the group, she was trolling Pickles -- and >>>> since Pickles was your Donkey's ally, she soon joined Brooke, ME, Usenet >>>> Editor, and friends in attacking the Donkey. Since I was also an ally >>>> of your Donkey, I joined the Donkey in attacking them. >>> >>> So "Dr." NastyGoon (who was trolling and flaming Stephan) formed an >>> alliance with mini-ME (who was trolling and flaming Will) to troll and >>> flame both of them; and because you and your Chimp also had an alliance >>> to troll and flame Stephan, the four of you formed an alliance to troll >>> and flame both of of them. That's the genesis of "Team Monkey" in a >>> nutshell. >> >> Do you have any idea how batshit crazy half-witted that sounds? >> >> Don't answer, the question was rhetorical. >> >> >>>> When they showed that they were willing to work with me in establishing >>>> peace at AAPC, I stopped fighting with them. Stopping fights is the >>>> first step to establishing peace. >>> >>> But, as you've just told us, you didn't establish any peace or stopping >>> any fights. >> >> Lie! I just told you that I stopped fighting with NancyGene and ME. >> >> How dense are you? >> >> *Again, the above question is rhetorical. >> >> >>> You just switched from (allegedly) attacking them to >>> attacking Will and Stephan - you formed the troll alliance alliance that >>> I later called "Team Monkey". To continue: >> >> Lie! >> >> I did not start attacking Will at that time. I merely stopped attacking >> NancyGene and ME on his behalf (a fact which he whined about endlessly). >> >> >>>>> The first thing you did was invite NG into Jim's Sunday Sampler, >>>>> where >>>>> they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan. The >>>>> result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in >>>>> JIm >>>>> flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned >>>>> against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor STephan realized that you were >>>>> manipulating them for that outcome. >>> >>>> Eventually I came to like and respect >>>> NancyGene and ME, and we became friends. This was a nature progression >>>> of our engaging in friendly poetry-related discussions together -- and >>>> had nothing to do with having created some made up "Team." >>> >>> You became allies (or, to use your term, online "friends") with two >>> trolls and the four of you then began trolling and flaming Will and >>> Stephan. You just don't like my calling your alliance "Team Monkey." > > I'll reply in depth when I get to your post, George, but that's correct. > >> I did not start trolling Will until after the *second* time he seconded >> Pickles' post/poem depicting me as a "paedophile." > > Again, the poem never seemed to be "about you" Harry, that's just the > way you decided to interpret the poem. Pickles used the name "PaedoScarlotti" in the poem! How is that a matter of interpretation? >> This was two years after NancyGene, ME, Jim and I became friends. >> >>>> You might also recall that I was *not* attacking the Donkey at that >>>> time. Rather than having formed an anti-Donkey team, I had taken a >>>> neutral position and adopted a friendly stance toward both sides. >>> >>> Of course it's better for a team to attack one person at a time; but of >>> course you had to start trolling and flaming Will, since >>> "Dr." NastyGoon and mini-ME were already trolling him as well. >> >> See above. >> >> Will and I had been maintaining an uneasy state of civility towards one >> another, out of respect for our former friendship. >> >> It was only after Will seconded Pickles' "paedophile" accusation -- > > It was simply a poem, not an accusation. If I had written dozens of posts accusing you of being a "paedophile," addressed you as "PaedoDockery," then wrote a poem about "PaedoDockery" would it simply be a poem? >> The first time this happened, Will claimed that he had been applauding >> Pickles' poem in general -- agreeing with its content > > The poems didn't really seem to be about you, Harry. > > I think you were being a bit paranoid and delusional at that time. And I think that you're not so stupid as not to realize that the act of calling me "PaedoScarlotti" is an implicit accusation that I am a paedophile. > >>>> began openly opposing my attempts to establish peace. > > Completely untrue, I stated to the end that I was in favor of peace and > that we could have peace immediately by simply stopping the fighting. You wanted us to stop attacking you, but refused to stop flooding the newsgroup with your 50+ slurp posts and "Hello Jordy" posts a day in return. To put it more bluntly, you were saying the equivalent of: "I'll do whatever I damn well please. If you don't like it, just skip and ignore." > > Michael Pendragon showed over and over that he didn't really have any > interest in peace. I was willing to make compromises and concessions. You were not. >>> Once again, your trolling and flaming were doing nothing to "establish >>> peace" on the group. In fact, by bringing the flamewars into your >>> Chimp's Sunday Sampler, you had destroyed the one oasis of peace. > > The troll thugs were determined to drive Stephan Pickering from the > poetry newsgroups at any cost, as the archives show. Lie. I never tried to drive Pickles out. I killed the little mofo. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========