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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 01:46:03 +0000
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On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 0:18:41 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:34:38 +0000, Wilk Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 4:49:11 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 5:47:00 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Since MMP is trying to disrupt his psychoanalysis by attempting to
>>>>> change the subject to whatever he can think of, and since I don't want
>>>>> to let his attempts pass without comment, I'm being forced to open new
>>>>> threads on some of it.
>>>>> From: https://www.novabbs.com/arts/post.php?id=255645
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:42:11 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 5:55:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>>> It seems that Senetto took the lead in attempting to drive Stephan
>>>>>>>> Pickering from the newsgroup though, but that may have been fueled by
>>>>>>>> Senetto's obvious Antisemitism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for reminding me. It was actually MMP who did that by bringing
>>>>>>> NAMBLA to the group. That triggered Jim, just the way MFH triggered him
>>>>>>> after he was told that it was really about child molesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you lie so much, George?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you project so much, MMP? (That's a rhetorical question. As noted
>>>>> in
>>>>> your psychoanalysis, you are playing the preemption game you learned
>>>>> from
>>>>> Peter J. Ross.)
>>>>>
>>>>>> (That's a rhetorical question, as you've already intimated that your
>>>>>> pathological lying stems from you having been abused as a child.)
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Lying Michael: I have never said, or even "intimated" (!) that I was
>>>>> pathological, lying, or
>>>>> "abused as a child".
>>>>
>>>> As usual, Michael Pendragon Jud makes his lies and misrepresentations up
>>>> as he goes along.
>>>
>>> I don't know why you're always repeating this line, Donkey... but if
>>> you're attempting to compare me to Indiana Jones, I am delighted to
>>> accept the compliment.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> When Pickles joined the group, he simply posted ongoing entries in a
>>>>>> proposed bibliography of some Magnum Opus he had been working on for
>>>>>> years.  To the best of my recollection, this tome-in-progress was an
>>>>>> attempt to tie all of literature, culture, and history together via
>>>>>> Jewish themes explored in Bob Dylan songs.
>>>>
>>>> That's actually how I met Stephan Pickering, I bought one of his early
>>>> books exploring the connections between the Kabbalah and Bob Dylan
>>>> songs.
>>>>
>>>> This led to many years of correspondence, which my brother David later
>>>> continued via snail mail.
>>>
>>> Finding connections between Kabbalah and a Jewish man's song lyrics
>>> seems about as difficult of finding Christian connections in the poems
>>> of a Catholic.
>>>
>>> I doubt that you've actually read Joseph Campbell, but you may have
>>> watched one or more of his Power of Myth episodes on PBS.  If so, you
>>> might have some primitive understanding of the interrelatedness of myths
>>> from various cultures and eras, and maybe... just maybe... realize that
>>> these myths (or archetypes) are often expressed through works of art.
>>>
>>> That BD would employ Kabbalistic themes is practically a given.
>>>
>>> Stephan Pickering's magnum opus in which he attempts to relate all of
>>> the
>>> material universe (right down to fractals) to BD songs
>>
>> It definitely sounded interesting, too bad it's probably lost now.
>
>
> Pick's magnum opus never got beyond the bibliography stage.  Pick was
> just copy-pasting quotes that in some way reminded him of BD lyrics.
>
> He never actually *wrote* anything about them.

You're wrong.

I've read a couple of Stephan Pickering's books on Bob Dylan, really in
depth work.

In fact this is how I met Stephan Pickering back in  1974, when I
ordered one of his books from an ad on Creem Magazine, which also
started our correspondence of many years m

>>>>> Anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject can appear to have
>>>>> "gone off the deep end" to someone who knows nothing of the subject.
>>
>> As Michael Pendragon demonstrates below.
>
> On Bob Dyaln?  I know enough to cover my ears whenever one of his
> records comes on.

I remember that.

😏

>>>> Exactly.
>>>>
>>>> Stephan Pickering definitely knew his subject matter.
>>>
>>> his theory which elevated BD to the
>>> position of YHWH, or God.
>>
>> That isn't really what happened.
>
> Since he never got around to actually stating what his theory was

Going back to the first book Pickering sent me, he was connecting Bob
Dylan songs to the Kabbalah.

> we'll
> never know for sure.

Actually the archives will show, as Pickering explained it a few times.

> However, based on the data dump of material he
> posted from his bibliography, I'm betting it's pretty close.

Not really.

>>  And he rode around on a bicycle

Not unusual for Oregon I'm told

>>> mummified cat in his basket

Lie and misrepresent much, Pendragon?

> and a small filing cabinet dragging from the
>>> rear fender.

This part I can believe, as I've seen people traveling around with set
ups like that

> his imaginary wife and children,

Not true, his late wife actually enjoyed my poetry.

>>> Faline's spirit who was in contact with him from the Beyond,

You don't believe in ghosts?

>  his story
>>> that he draft dodged the Vietnam war by skipping to Canada and Israel
>>> (when he had actually checked himself into a mental institution after
>>> having been caught stealing from Forrest Ackerman...)

This part of his story was complicated, I never did quite get Ll the
details straight.

>> All basically true but filled with Michael Pendragon lies and
>> misrepresentations.
>
> I don't see how one can represent it in a more positive light

Okay, you basically covered it well, with just a few corrections from
the.

>> Stephan Pickering was:
>>
>>> Jewish.  He
>>> self-converted
>>
>> And Dr  David Scheimmer verified the document.
>>
>> Stephan Pickering was a converted Jew, which is valid
>
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