Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 15:48:00 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 91 Message-ID: References: <4s45uj1f7a09kdh5cuau8e2k37snjcm2g5@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2025 22:48:00 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a8007339a1727158871e9314bf4dbe7a"; logging-data="2907006"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/2ft13G/fo5o7yMx6y4Tnh" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Erx6WizUSQfCviD0WQac2lgT/Bw= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 5247 On 4/2/2025 3:03 PM, Zen Cycle wrote: > On 4/2/2025 2:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >> On 4/2/2025 1:07 PM, Zen Cycle wrote: >>> On 4/2/2025 12:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>> On 4/1/2025 3:14 PM, Zen Cycle wrote: >>>>> On 3/27/2025 7:07 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> :-) Such confidence! I note that you haven't addressed >>>>>> the relative frequency of TBI shown in the big pie >>>>>> chart at >>>>>> https://how-sen.com/journal/2014/2/bike-helmets >>>>>> >>>>>> Or maybe you haven't seen data like in >>>>>> https://www.internationalbrain.org/resources/brain- >>>>>> injury-facts >>>>>> >>>>>> which states "United States Annually: 50,000 people >>>>>> die" [of TBI] . But fewer than 500 are bicyclists. >>>>> >>>>> I did address it, I stated that the numbers were >>>>> relevant to my point. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And "Causes of Traumatic Brain Injury :    Motor >>>>>> Vehicle Crashes account for 50% of all TBIs. This >>>>>> includes autos, trucks, motorcycles, bicycles, and >>>>>> pedestrians hit by vehicles. >>>>>>      The leading causes of TBI vary by age: falls are >>>>>> the leading cause of TBI among persons aged 65 years >>>>>> and older; transportation is the leading cause of TBI >>>>>> among persons under the age of 65 years. >>>>>>      Estimates suggest that sports related brain >>>>>> injury accounts for close to 300,000 injuries each >>>>>> year, with winter sports such as skiing and ice- >>>>>> skating accounting for close to 20,000 brain injuries. >>>>>> (7) " >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, bicycling is barely mentioned, and is >>>>>> justifiably given no more prominence than autos, >>>>>> inside which far more incidents of TBI occur. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't really fault you for having believed that >>>>>> bicycling is an unusual and  horrible risk for TBI. >>>>>> After all, the propaganda machine has been in high >>>>>> gear for decades. But it's now time for you to educate >>>>>> yourself and put things in the proper perspective. >>>>> >>>>> But I _do_ fault you for repeatedly mischaracterizing >>>>> my position. >>>>> At no time did I state our otherwise imply that >>>>> "bicycling is an >>>>>   unusual and  horrible risk for TBI. I stated this >>>>> unequivocally several times already. >>>>> But now it's time for you to stop building strawmen and >>>>> try arguing objectively rather than emotionally. >>>> >>>> Zen, you have not precisely said "Bicycling is such an >>>> unusual risk for TBI that you should always wear a >>>> helmet when you ride." >>>> >>>> But you _did_ confess that you regularly tell people >>>> that if they are going to ride on roads - normal roads! >>>> - they should always wear a helmet. >>> >>> Why do you always seem surprised about normal roads? >>> >>>> As far as we know, you have not said the same to >>>> pedestrians or motorists, to skateboarders or scooter >>>> riders or joggers. That alone is strong indication that >>>> you're treating bicycling as unusual. >>> >>> I tell my grandchildren they can't roller skate, >>> skateboard, or ride their scooters without a helmet while >>> under my care. >> >> Really! >> >> Do you let them run without a helmet? Say, playing tag? > > yup > > +1 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6250260-free-range-kids -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971