Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 05:01:10 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 177 Message-ID: References: <1qbvvjlicmocd7rl859vlve22h6galrndg@4ax.com> <1jn00kl03kddk8rkhr3bnpabv7u5i9sout@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 11:01:13 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="521db7e34b604c3960443b213f25774a"; logging-data="2831131"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19zkXjyfqfqxKC283O6aaS8tm4YleBiTB4=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:xLmayPkFDQ7+/MaIHOCHJ24MH7M= Bytes: 9134 On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 20:45:49 -0400, zen cycle wrote: >On 4/17/2025 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 4/17/2025 7:44 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:39:11 -0500, AMuzi wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/17/2025 3:20 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:03:46 +0700, John B. >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:05:14 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 20:39:54 +0700, John B. >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 07:42:59 -0500, AMuzi >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 9:02 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 14:46:46 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 12:20:51 -0500, AMuzi >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 12:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 8:56 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But here, the rise in anti-vax was driven by upper class >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suburban mothers and Hollywood celebrities who skew soft >>>>>>>>>>>>>> left.  (as with any social phenomenon there are of course >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many flavors of opinion and politics)  It was unusual >>>>>>>>>>>>>> before that quack Wakefield (1998?) but snowballed after >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The anti-vax movement was driven by ignorant anti- >>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists. Yes, it's bounced around the political spectrum, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but the often deliberate ignorance has been and remains >>>>>>>>>>>>> constant. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree with that.  Wasn't helped by deliberate lies >>>>>>>>>>>> and not only by Wakefield. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I submitted to two doses of the Covid "vaccine," and then I >>>>>>>>>>> realised >>>>>>>>>>> that the jackass who was directing it (Fauci) and all the >>>>>>>>>>> other scams >>>>>>>>>>> (masks and six foot spaces) was partially responsible for >>>>>>>>>>> creating >>>>>>>>>>> Covid. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Strange isn't it. The vigorous enforcement, of exactly the same >>>>>>>>>> rules, >>>>>>>>>> that you describe, were blamed for Thailand's rather amazingly low >>>>>>>>>> Covid rates and deaths.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> U.S.  Total cases per 1 million population - 337,912 >>>>>>>>>>              Total Deaths per 1 M population       - 3685 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thailand Total cases per 1 million population - 68,069 >>>>>>>>>>                      Total deaths per 1 M population - 494 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know but the general rates of obesity, diabetes, >>>>>>>>> heart disease are dramatically different between our >>>>>>>>> countries and all those associate with deleterious outcomes >>>>>>>>> with viral infections. Maybe significant, maybe not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given the overwhelming enthusiasm -  there is no other word for it - >>>>>>>> in doing everything possible to "fight" the disease I'm inclined to >>>>>>>> believe it was that effort. Even today masks are commonly seen and >>>>>>>> during the epidemic if you weren't wearing a mask people would shake >>>>>>>> their finger at you and say "mask, mask". Shops and stores  checked >>>>>>>> your temperature before you were admitted. Any public seating was >>>>>>>> marked off in 6 foot lines. And all of this wasn't under the gaze of >>>>>>>> some "big boss" it was the common ordinary man on the street >>>>>>>> enforcing >>>>>>>> the rules. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here in Florida the "enthusiasm" lasted for a couple of weeks, and >>>>>>> then most people ignored all the rules and went on with their lives. >>>>>>> There were always a few loonies who mentioned that I wasn't wearing a >>>>>>> mask, but they were easy to ignore and I could move them away by >>>>>>> pretending to cough.  I still see an occasional mask out on the bike >>>>>>> trails miles away from civilization or someone wearing a mask when >>>>>>> they're all alone in their car. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The whole thing was smoke and mirrors and people getting a thrill out >>>>>>> of giving orders to other people. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Florida - cases/M pop - 374,722 >>>>>>                   deaths/M pop - 4,433 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thailand - cases/M pop - 68,069 >>>>>>                     deaths/M pop - 499 >>>>> >>>>> Like I said, there are many factors involved. I don't believe the >>>>> masks and other forced restrictions were much of a factor anywhere. >>>>> Smoke and mirrors. >>>>> >>>>> Florida had a problem because it's a big travel destination. People >>>>> come here on a vacation from all over the world. They bring their >>>>> diseases and Florida people interact with them. We also have a bunch >>>>> of "snowbirds" who roll in here from northern states and Canada every >>>>> fall. >>>>> >>>>> As for people getting a thrill out of ordering others around.... >>>>> >>>>> The jackass governor of Minnesota (who was the recent jackass Vice >>>>> Pres candidate) set up a tattle site where people could call in if >>>>> they thought their neighbors had more than the allowed number of >>>>> people in their home. He also had "agents of some sort" traveling >>>>> through neighborhoods with paint guns threatening to shoot at people >>>>> who had not obeyed his curfew orders. >>>>> >>>>> Had that happened in some places in Florida, somebody would have shot >>>>> back with a real gun. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> C'est bon >>>>> Soloman >>>> >>>> Oh, and 'The Science' which led Governors to leave liquor >>>> stores and casinos open (tax revenue) while ordering schools >>>> and churches closed. >>> >>> ... Gyms and health clubs closed, too. >>> >>> -- >>> C'est bon >>> Soloman >> >> On that subject, today brings some helpful and hopeful news: >> >> https://apnews.com/article/rubio-disinformation-russia-china-iran- >> d53d00551a0a57f3114431c624db0b0f >> >> Government censorship doesn't play well with me. >> > >right, because we need _more_ disinformation. We don't have enough already. Right, because Joe Biden is sharp as the preverbal tack. "start your tape right now because I'm about to tell you the truth. [-] And F--- you if you can't handle the truth. This version of Bidden intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever. Not a close second. And I have known him for years. The Brzezinski have known him for 50 years. If it weren't the truth I wouldn't say it." https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/2909317/the-best-biden-ever/ A former editor of The New York Times has accused the White House of conducting “a massive cover-up of the degree of the president’s feebleness and his serious physical decline” and chastised the press for not covering the story until after Joe Biden’s disastrous debate with Donald Trump. “It’s clear the best news reporters in Washington have failed in the first duty of journalism: to hold power accountable. It is our duty to poke through White House smoke screens and find out the truth,” Jill Abramson said, adding, “It is simply astounding for the entire country, including its most seasoned reporters, to be as shocked as everyone was by the ugly and painful reality of (President Joe) Biden’s debate performance.” https://www.deseret.com/politics/2024/07/11/joe-biden-debate-disaster-media-complicit/ Some people still trust the mass media, but not very many.. https://news.gallup.com/poll/651977/americans-trust-media-remains-trend-low.aspx -- C'est bon Soloman