Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.killfile.org!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Martin Harran Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Texas given up on the switch scam? Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2025 12:47:52 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <1011rbv$21a5j$1@dont-email.me> <101laec$3ikem$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="77331"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:jk5sA2Go3JNmIg+XLC4WoWuyXsU= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id AD1E222978C; Tue, 03 Jun 2025 07:48:02 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3892A229783 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2025 07:48:00 -0400 (EDT) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 553BluLE1543237 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2025 13:47:58 +0200 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA6B860A08 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2025 11:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/CA6B860A08; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 8FA4BDC01CA; Tue, 3 Jun 2025 13:47:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2025 13:47:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+n5/gyCxVW9n94RAZgja5ZxG+6hH+Wzdo= DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4859 On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 16:00:26 -0700, Mark Isaak wrote: >On 5/28/25 1:44 AM, Martin Harran wrote: >> On Mon, 26 May 2025 08:46:37 -0500, RonO >> wrote: >> >>> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-bill-ten-commandments-public-schools-rcna206851 >>> >>> Texas had bent over for the obfuscation and denial creationist switch >>> scam back in 2010, but had to have the bait and switch run on them again >>> in 2013 when they tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their >>> public schools. >>> >>> They are now trying a more direct approach that seems to be as >>> unconstitutional as Oklahoma's use of the Bible in public schools as a >>> text book, and last month Arkansas' Trumpy Governor (she claims that >>> Trump was chosen by Jesus) signed similar 10 commandment legislation >>> when I was out on the road. >> >> [...] >> >> America Magazine, published by the Jesuits, had an article yesterday >> analysing how it is wrong for the Christian Right to be campaigning >> for posting the Ten Commandments in schools. >> >> I give a link to the full article below but here is the TLDR version >> from their newsletter yesterday: >> >> >> Father Clifford, a Jesuit priest who taught for 55 years at Boston >> College and is a professor emeritus of Old Testament there, notes a >> consensus among biblical scholars from the Jewish, Catholic and >> Protestant traditions that while the Ten Commandments lay the >> foundation for Jews' and Christians' relationship with God, they are >> not meant to be a universal covenant that applies to adherents of >> other religions-or of no religion. Posting the Ten Commandments in the >> classroom, then, is not just a violation of the First Amendment, but >> also a contradiction of the Bible itself. > >"This prohibition of graven images is so important that we require you >to make a graven image out of it." Where is that quotation from? Also, why do you think it useful to make a comment based on a literal readings of the Bible in response to an article written by a Catholic priest when the Catholic Church does not take the Bible literally?