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On Thu, 29 May 2025 13:24:51 +0100, Ernest Major
<{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 28/05/2025 11:17, jillery wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 May 2025 09:44:32 +0100, Martin Harran
>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Mon, 26 May 2025 08:46:37 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> =
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-bill-ten-commandment=
s-public-schools-rcna206851
>>>>
>>>> Texas had bent over for the obfuscation and denial creationist =
switch
>>>> scam back in 2010, but had to have the bait and switch run on them =
again
>>>> in 2013 when they tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their
>>>> public schools.
>>>>
>>>> They are now trying a more direct approach that seems to be as
>>>> unconstitutional as Oklahoma's use of the Bible in public schools as=
 a
>>>> text book, and last month Arkansas' Trumpy Governor (she claims that
>>>> Trump was chosen by Jesus) signed similar 10 commandment legislation
>>>> when I was out on the road.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> America Magazine, published by the Jesuits, had an article yesterday
>>> analysing how it is wrong for the Christian Right to be campaigning
>>> for posting the Ten Commandments in schools.
>>>
>>> I give a link to the full article below but here is the TLDR version
>>>from their newsletter yesterday:
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> Father Clifford, a Jesuit priest who taught for 55 years at Boston
>>> College and is a professor emeritus of Old Testament there, notes a
>>> consensus among biblical scholars from the Jewish, Catholic and
>>> Protestant traditions that while the Ten Commandments lay the
>>> foundation for Jews' and Christians' relationship with God, they are
>>> not meant to be a universal covenant that applies to adherents of
>>> other religions-or of no religion. Posting the Ten Commandments in =
the
>>> classroom, then, is not just a violation of the First Amendment, but
>>> also a contradiction of the Bible itself.
>>>
>>>
>>> What might be a more appropriate text? "Let me offer an alternative
>>> for American classrooms: the Golden Rule, treating others as one =
would
>>> want to be treated by them," Father Clifford writes. "A version of =
the
>>> Golden Rule is found in several places in the Bible and in almost
>>> every religion in the world."
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>>
>>> Full article:
>>> =
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2025/05/27/clifford-ten-commandment=
s-classrooms-250734
>>=20
>>=20
>> "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
>>=20
>> A better version is:
>>=20
>> "Do unto others as others would have you do unto them".
>>=20
>> It's a subtle distinction.  But based on your posting behavior, the
>> subtleties of both versions escape you.
>>=20
>
>The second version avoids at least some of the failure modes of the=20
>first, but it has its own failure modes. Consider the case where the=20
>other person is a narcissist or a sociopath.


What is the point of the Golden Rule?  How does doing what a
narcissist or sociopath wants you to do to them violate that point?

--=20
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge