Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:49:46 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: <102phva$1odus$2@dont-email.me> References: <102n9bo$13mp8$3@dont-email.me> <102nq66$17hi5$1@dont-email.me> <102olql$1h6pn$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 18:49:47 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="84f6327632bc8a50bba24a9b7508b28e"; logging-data="1849308"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+QzvzAAt6gDcy0nB+DNddx" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:HpTouM28EdO6qbFqkoTmlX+gTr8= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250616-0, 6/15/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <102olql$1h6pn$1@dont-email.me> On 6/16/2025 3:49 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 16.jun.2025 om 02:57 schreef olcott: >> On 6/15/2025 6:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 6/15/25 4:10 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> void DDD() >>>> { >>>>    HHH(DDD); >>>>    return; >>>> } >>>> >>>> When I challenge anyone to show the details of exactly >>>> how DDD correctly simulated by ANY simulating termination >>>> analyzer HHH can possibly reach its own simulated "return" >>>> statement final halt state they ignore this challenge. >>> >>> And it seems you don't understand that the problem is that while, >>> yes, if HHH does infact do a correct simulation, it will not reach a >>> final state, that fact only applie *IF* HHH does that, and all the >>> other HHHs which differ see different inputs. >>> >> >> *I should have said* >> When one or more instructions of DDD are correctly >> simulated by ANY simulating termination analyzer HHH >> then DDD never reaches its simulated "return" statement >> final halt state. >> > > Why repeating this failure of HHH to reach the end of the simulation of > a halting program? > We have seen that many times and it is not very interesting. > In other words you have no rebuttal. Also int DD() { int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); if (Halt_Status) HERE: goto HERE; return Halt_Status; } Every simulating termination analyzer HHH(DD) correctly rejects its halting problem counter example input DD as non-halting. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer