Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Roger Merriman Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Average speed Date: 12 May 2025 13:30:05 GMT Lines: 119 Message-ID: References: <7aMRP.4$adP7.2@fx38.iad> <0j4UP.53967$sF35.20292@fx11.iad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net mXz3ye8pNHNs8qz1pVPpXgE+VhVuFN94Q5TpeAjlKhJs442kZR Cancel-Lock: sha1:IcgMLTSOh2xn04XeA+km79z0gbs= sha1:6BbcJjr7oXV7FpNeevpyGDSSqYM= sha256:4E6zq6BoPSJzVh66A62aP4bMw4j1PTww13shxTYUEtE= User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad) Jeff Liebermann wrote: > On 11 May 2025 19:56:17 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: > >> Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>> On Sun, 11 May 2025 16:33:00 GMT, cyclintom >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had >>>>>> to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never >>>>>> posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you. >>>>> >>>>> Wrong. It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop" >>>>> command. I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop >>>>> logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on >>>>> the way to a lavish Chinese lunch. >>>>> >>>>> "Crop Tool for Activities" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava. There are >>>>> instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read >>>>> don't look very easy or reliable. >>>>> >>>>> Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that? There's no prices, >>>>> acclaim or notoriety for doing it. There are also people who would be >>>>> happy to report anything suspicious. It's just not worth the risk. >>>>> >>>>> Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide >>>>> some evidence. >>>>> >>>>> "How to Report Cheating on Strava" >>>>> >>>> >>>> This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw >>>> turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did. >> >> Strava is rather better at flagging such stuff up, MTBers are common for >> this, ie forget to turn it off, so have the drive home as well! > > I just noticed that Tom suggest that: > > "All you have to do isw turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your > car..." > > That's rather difficult because I don't walk much in areas frequented > by motor vehicles, hike on paved roads, engage in racing, etc. I > suspect that Tom expects me to drive my car on the same narrow dirt > trails on which I hike. I don't think my Subaru will fit: > > > > Hmmm... Dec 20, 2019. The current sign now includes 4(?) additional > "No" items. > >>> I live in the deep dark forest, where there aren't too many "really >>> bright days". Right now, it's 5.2 watts/meters^2. Fortunately, >>> things do look brighter at around noon. >>> >>> I don't own a Garmin cycling computer. I use a phone (Moto G Power >>> 2020) and the free Strava app: >>> >>> I'm also wondering if you really had sensors for each of your 15(?) >>> bicycles or if you moved one or two sensors between bicycles as >>> needed. Of course, you recalibrated each sensor when you moved it. >>> >>> I have driven away in my car and forgotten to turn off the app. It >>> happens more often than I care to admit. I solved that problem by >>> hanging a small sign over my steering wheel with a reminder. >>> >>> I always crop the ride data to eliminate the part where I forgot to >>> turn off the data logger. I usually walk (not ride) in the morning >>> and do any necessary edits on my home computer a few hours later. If >>> you want to see my data before I edit it, I usually walk on Fridays >>> from 9:30am to about 11:30am PDT and make the necessary edits >>> somewhere between 3pm and 10pm PDT. >>> >>> >>> Could you remind me why you closed your Strava account and deleted all >>> your saved data? >>> >>> >> I rather suspect it showed his bragging rights to be rather unfounded! > > Actually, Tom's Strava data didn't show many unfounded claims. At the > time, I was being very diplomatic and did NOT post many remarks about > Tom's rides. My only comments involved Tom making occasional mistakes > and using his rides as "proof" whether Abbott Labs had closed one of > their building in the area. I didn't fact check all of Tom's rides, > but the one's I checked were generally accurate for location and > fairly inaccurate at to speed and distance probably because Tom didn't > calibrate his speed and cadence sensor or crop is data the few times > when he accidentally included a car ride. I suspect the only reason > Tom was posting his rides to Strava was because Lou Holtman had asked > Tom to post his Strava rides (approx May 2021 thru Feb 2024). > >> I find it useful as a diary and as a social tool, plus I do like the route >> builder as I like the path less traveled so can see if someone has used X >> trail and when? Ie is it likely to exist on the ground or does it exist >> only on the map and so on. > > I record my rides on Strava mostly to impress my friends, some of whom > are becoming couch potatoes (fat and lazy). I also want to get better > aquatinted with the program and how it works. Also, because my > cardiologist repeatedly demands that I get more exercise. will allow more geekery as with Strava is limited by the accuracy of the units but interestingly nevertheless. > >> Roger Merriman > Roger Merriman