Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 18:42:13 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <08508353c793195b12c3d1ee161d4f98117edeea@i2pn2.org> <78278c992d775e04b5e419a5d91211f60b1d1258@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 01:42:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7aa0b0d294921be4f7eb8912fe78e6e7"; logging-data="2219936"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+DSStkQwe5Bj+S0QnhER0c" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:3YuUdNY/QwjTNTrWCDrVR/vHM7o= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <78278c992d775e04b5e419a5d91211f60b1d1258@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250304-10, 3/4/2025), Outbound message On 3/4/2025 5:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 3/4/25 9:32 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/4/2025 6:29 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 3/3/25 10:07 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> int DD() >>>> { >>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>>>    if (Halt_Status) >>>>      HERE: goto HERE; >>>>    return Halt_Status; >>>> } >>>> >>>> _DD() >>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping >>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local >>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD >>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) >>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04 >>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax >>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 >>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f >>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d >>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04] >>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp >>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp >>>> [00002155] c3         ret >>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] >>>> >>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly >>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally. >> >> *Proves that the input to HHH(DD) can be rejected as non-halting* > > No, it proves that the HHH that rejects the input, didn't do a correct > simulation, and thus was looking at the wrong input, because you don't > understand what a program is. > > DD only is non-halting if *THE* HHH (and there is only one at any time) > never aborts. SInce HHH musts abort its emulation to "reject" the input, > it proves it didn't do the needed correct emulation, and you are shown > to be just a blantant liar. > >> >>> >>> And the HHH that correctly emulated DD, can't be a decider and answer. >>> >>> Also. "the HHH", defined in your Halt7.c doesn't do that, >> >> The only valid rebuttal is to show all of the steps of >> exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its >> own "ret" instruction. >> >> Failing to provide the above proves that you are clueless >> about this code. >> >> > Nope, I have shown why your logic is wrong, If that was true you could show this with something besides rhetoric and double-talk. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer