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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mm0fmf Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: The Lisa Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 14:48:45 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <20250224075243.abbf3892667a0cf1313d1441@127.0.0.1> <8734g2voya.fsf@example.com> <878qpuk0m6.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> <87zfi9hzt0.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> <1981-20250228115440@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 15:48:49 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="69c16bae75dedb8be5de8e30a24d8e3a"; logging-data="3902306"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+RN//EWDoKqqoUVdekek3l" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:b6UuOPUc7LTppIzTPHeDxNSj+IQ= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <1981-20250228115440@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> On 28/02/2025 10:57, Stefan Ram wrote: > ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted: >> IIRC at one point in time around 1981, the answer was: >> You buy a Lisa. The "Lisa Workshop" is the development system >> for the Mac. > > The Lisa might have been used internally at Apple in 1982 and > was released 1983. > >> (After a few years, Macintosh-native development system were >> developed.) > > The Macintosh was released in 1984-01, and around 1986, the > Lisa Workshop was replaced with the Macintosh Programmer's > Workshop which ran inside the Macintosh operating system. > > Ah Lisa and Apple Classcal. I can remember when we had 2 Apple Lisas. The were slow (5MHz 68000 CPU) and the hard disk was connected over a modified Centronics parallel port. But wow it was fun. Then a Mac arrived. We have 240V mains in the UK and the US has 110V. We had Mac serial number 000005 in the UK and it came with a 110V autotransformer almost as big as the Mac itself. Mac development was done on the Lisa. Then sometime later a set of ROMS were issued that turned a Lisa into a slow Mac. And we had MPW running on it. Who remembers the comment in the memory map for the Mac, "6 bytes for our friends from Seattle"?