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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Turing machine HHH is not allowed to report on the behavior of the directly executed DDD() Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2025 06:43:10 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1040hke$2ql69$2@dont-email.me> References: <1037cr1$1aja4$1@dont-email.me> <1038iil$enlc$1@dont-email.me> <10394o5$j159$2@dont-email.me> <103av83$140ie$1@dont-email.me> <103bq8n$1a3c8$4@dont-email.me> <103brmh$1bfio$1@dont-email.me> <103bvt3$1cjeg$1@dont-email.me> <103do8b$1ti9d$1@dont-email.me> <103easr$22250$1@dont-email.me> <103ekj4$22qb$1@news.muc.de> <103elhi$24lrk$1@dont-email.me> <103enru$22qb$2@news.muc.de> <103eo8q$25hsi$1@dont-email.me> <995bace8fe29b576c0d9410f991981143fd20046@i2pn2.org> <103epev$25ucn$1@dont-email.me> <9103e4719abf89a6964453318d3f52878a718788@i2pn2.org> <103f62i$292tp$1@dont-email.me> <103g811$2knml$1@dont-email.me> <103h4f4$2rinm$1@dont-email.me> <103j5o4$3d3gm$1@dont-email.me> <103md0c$7mrs$1@dont-email.me> <103ok7h$r5fl$1@dont-email.me> <103oop5$rq7e$3@dont-email.me> <103qtac$1ebbt$1@dont-email.me> <103recv$1hc53$1@dont-email.me> <103tgg8$22h9n$1@dont-email.me> <103ugtp$292c0$5@dont-email.me> <10403ov$2nmlb$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2025 13:43:10 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f2525e8d75a2872aa3d27b0f72aced4f"; logging-data="2970825"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18vSgAALt8soS28wOmDmJ53" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:KlhlYN99agEAXDWPJ1jZ967ABr0= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250701-0, 6/30/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <10403ov$2nmlb$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 7/1/2025 2:46 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-06-30 17:18:49 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 6/30/2025 3:05 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2025-06-29 13:17:19 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>> When it is required that a Turing Machine halt decider is to >>>> report on the behavior of another directly executing Turing >>>> machine this requirement is incorrect. >>> >>> No, it is not. > >> When we know that no directly executing Turing machine >> D can possibly be an input to another Turing Machine H >> this means that H cannot possibly compute the mapping >> from D to the behavior of D. > > Not true. In order to compute the required mapping from D to > some feature of the behavour of D only sufficient information > about D is needed. For example, an universal Turing machine > cannot observe a direct execution of D but can reproduce the > result of a direct execution of D. > Ah good point. Back to the HHH1(DDD) and HHH(DDD). -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer