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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: tubes vs tubeless? you decide. Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 15:04:35 -0600 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 22:04:38 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="576c9761665a7a02547348a8d3547e3c"; logging-data="812307"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19DZfVwbTWSeG9rY9dPOnLz" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:FYDhUF7Vz2m+pZ2lnHwrS1ZIrHs= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: On 2/16/2025 2:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 2/16/2025 12:51 PM, Mark J cleary wrote: >> On 2/16/2025 9:54 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>> On 2/16/2025 4:57 AM, zen cycle wrote: >>>> An article on Cycling News >>>> >>>> https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/i-use-inner-tubes- >>>> on- all-my- road-bikes-heres-why-i-still-havent- >>>> embraced-tubeless/ >>>> >>>> It's a long read, and not very well written (imho), but >>>> I generally agree with the points he makes. >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> It's an immature technology (relying on what a former RBT >>> contributor called "frog snot") but it has its place. >>> That place is observed trials, with ridiculously fat >>> tires under ridiculously close to zero pressure with a >>> lot of irregular bashing and twisting.  Tubes pinch and >>> shift in that environment.  The more your riding mimics >>> that, the more tubeless works for you. >>> >> >> I agree with guy completely. In fact I am not a retro >> grouch at all but some things on bikes have not proven to >> be all that much better. Tubeless tires for one. I rarely >> have flats and I don't deal with sealant and setting up >> tires. I can swap out a tire and tube in a hurry and if I >> flat a new tube on the road to get back. My tubes have >> multiple patches and last for years. My road bike riding >> is all on pavement. I am not going around gravel and bad >> surfaces unless I am forced by mistake. >> >> Along with this I will mention another item that at least >> for me has limited benefit. I don't like cables buried in >> the tubes. THE standard exposed cables are quire easy to >> change out and until they manage making buried cables as >> easy as exposed I rather opt out. >> >> My next list is the infamous press fit BB. I have BSA >> threaded and even some manufactures have come back to this >> standard. Much more reliable and almost no maintenance >> ever needed. Buy a new BB and go forward. >> >> I will say the disk brakes are better and while rim brakes >> work fine disk allow better stopping in rain and when in >> mountains and such. They also allow bigger tires and less >> concern for wheel setup. >> >> OK I am done but never a tubeless for me > > Agreed. It seems that fashion often transforms "better under > this very limited circumstance" to "You gotta have this!!!" > > Really, most "modern" examples of bicycling fashion are > chasing diminishing performance benefits. Any decent quality > bicycle is an amazingly efficient machine. Aero cables, > fancy bottom brackets, tubeless tires give practically > unmeasurable performance benefits. > > And I suspect a fair number of tubeless setups are bought by > people who never learned to fix a flat. > > But I'm an admitted retrogrouch. > For road bikes that probably explains a lot of adopters, but there are purposes for which tubeless (even in this current primitive state) solves real problems. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971