Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: ChatGPT agrees that I have refuted the conventional Halting Problem proof technique --- Full 38 page analysis Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 19:45:22 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <287b4881fe38db4f642cd68acf6e58e4fcc030e9@i2pn2.org> References: <103acoo$vp7v$1@dont-email.me> <728b9512cbf8dbf79931bfd3d5dbed265447d765@i2pn2.org> <103ag9k$10fmp$1@dont-email.me> <7b01bff1fe560095410422094a05ccac24c9fa7a@i2pn2.org> <103bodf$1a3c8$1@dont-email.me> <1b5b8f6a6c809724740bc68be167c5d535031e06@i2pn2.org> <103c36l$1cme6$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 23:46:19 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1767684"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: <103c36l$1cme6$5@dont-email.me> On 6/23/25 1:34 PM, olcott wrote: > On 6/23/2025 10:34 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Mon, 23 Jun 2025 09:30:07 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 6/23/2025 6:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> >>>> In particular, the pattern you are trying to claim to use, is part of >>>> the Halting Program D, DD, and DDD, so it is BY DEFINITION incorrect. >>> If you read the 38 pages you will see how this is incorrect. ChatGPT >>> "understands" that any program that must be aborted at some point to >>> prevent its infinite execution is not a halting program. >> Such as HHH, making it not a decider (when simulated). >> > > void DDD() > { >   HHH(DDD); >   return; > } > > *dead obvious to any first year computer science student* > My claim is that DDD correctly simulated by any simulating > termination analyzer HHH that can possibly exist cannot possibly > reach its own simulated "return" statement final halt state. > > > > Which is irrelevent, as any machine HHH that does that isn't a Halt Decider, because it isn't a decider at all. Thus, your criteria is just based on the presumption of the impossible, and the equivocation of what you are talking about. Those are just the tools of pathological liars.