Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met +++ Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 15:52:55 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 95 Message-ID: <1002vr7$2mivc$1@dont-email.me> References: <10013oa$2a1j4$3@dont-email.me> <10013u2$24gr3$21@dont-email.me> <1001652$2aias$1@dont-email.me> <100225e$2gb0v$2@dont-email.me> <1002c41$2i4bk$7@dont-email.me> <1002vf2$2mbr6$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 22:52:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1b4c815c0318038d25de37dcdc1ad225"; logging-data="2837484"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18QEi11mQYQpu77FB0uZ5BK" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:45InpGXIAVD9xqUd2ryBQibJD9c= In-Reply-To: <1002vf2$2mbr6$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250514-4, 5/14/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 5/14/2025 3:46 PM, dbush wrote: > On 5/14/2025 11:16 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/14/2025 7:26 AM, dbush wrote: >>> On 5/14/2025 12:28 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 5/13/2025 10:50 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>> On 5/13/2025 11:47 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 5/12/2025 1:20 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/12/2025 2:17 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> Introduction to the Theory of Computation 3rd Edition >>>>>>>> by Michael Sipser (Author) >>>>>>>> 4.4 out of 5 stars    568 rating >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Theory-Computation-Michael- >>>>>>>> Sipser/ dp/113318779X >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> int DD() >>>>>>>>   { >>>>>>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>>>>>>>    if (Halt_Status) >>>>>>>>      HERE: goto HERE; >>>>>>>>    return Halt_Status; >>>>>>>>   } >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> DD correctly simulated by any pure simulator >>>>>>>> named HHH cannot possibly terminate thus proving >>>>>>>> that this criteria has been met: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> 10/13/2022> >>>>>>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its >>>>>>>>      input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D >>>>>>>>      would never stop running unless aborted then >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >>>>>>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >>>>>>>>   >>>>>>> 10/13/2022> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which is not what you thought he agreed to: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have proven otherwise below: >>>>> >>>>> And *yet again* you lie when definitive proof has been repeatedly >>>>> provided that he did not agree with out: >>>> >>> >>> The below is a non-response to the above.  This constitutes your >>> admission that Sipser did not in fact agree with you, and the fact >>> that you trimmed the below proof in your response is your further >>> admission that you intent to continue to lie about it. >>> >>> >>>> (the words only have one correct meaning) >>>> *UNTIL YOU ADDRESS THESE POINTS THEY WILL BE ENDLESSLY REPEATED* >>>> >>>> People tried for more than a year to get away with saying >>>> that DDD was not emulated by HHH correctly until I stipulated >>>> that DDD is emulated by HHH according to the rules of the >>>> x86 language. Then they shut up about this. >>>> >>>> People tried to get away with saying that HHH >>>> cannot not decide halting on the basis of >>>> *simulated D would never stop running unless aborted* >>>> until I pointed out that those exact words are in the spec. >>>> >>>> People tried to get away with saying that the correct >>>> emulation of a non-halting input cannot be partial >>>> Yet partial simulation is right in the spec: >>>> *H correctly simulates its input D until* >>>> >>> >>>>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:41:27 PM UTC-5, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >>>>> I exchanged emails with him about this. He does not agree with >>>>> anything >>>>> substantive that PO has written. I won't quote him, as I don't have >>>>> permission, but he was, let's say... forthright, in his reply to me. >>> >> >> He did agree with these verbatim words. I have the emails >> to prove it. > > But not what you though he agreed to, as been proven multiple times: > The words that he agreed to only have a single meaning as I proved above. That you ignore this proves that you are dishonest. --- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer