Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Reverse_evolution_in_Gal=C3=A1pagos_tomato?= Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 08:09:02 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 86 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <103jgpf$3fks7$1@dont-email.me> References: <103ijfh$39dd8$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="38823"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:yLEV+dlwYVgGunp7gpBtte864KQ= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 93C9022978C; Thu, 26 Jun 2025 09:09:09 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 595D2229783 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2025 09:09:07 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1uUmLj-00000003tFs-3E1L; Thu, 26 Jun 2025 15:09:07 +0200 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85AA95FEF4 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2025 13:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/85AA95FEF4; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 3E5DEDC01D3; Thu, 26 Jun 2025 15:09:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 15:09:05 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <103ijfh$39dd8$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+2lnqvEpxcd/70uzj6Z+S1DBF3SO3Nam0= DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO, FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org On 6/25/2025 11:48 PM, Pro Plyd wrote: > > https://phys.org/news/2025-06-tomatoes-galpagos-quietly-de-evolving.html > > On the younger, black-rock islands of the > Galápagos archipelago, wild-growing tomatoes > are doing something peculiar. They're shedding > millions of years of evolution, reverting to a > more primitive genetic state that resurrects > ancient chemical defenses. > > These tomatoes, which descended from South > American ancestors likely brought over by birds, > have quietly started making a toxic molecular > cocktail that hasn't been seen in millions of > years, one that resembles compounds found in > eggplant, not the modern tomato. > > In a study published recently in Nature > Communications, scientists at the University of > California, Riverside, describe this unexpected > development as a possible case of "reverse > evolution," a term that tends to be controversial > among evolutionary biologists. > > That's because evolution isn't supposed to have > a rewind button. It's generally viewed as a > one-way march toward adaptation, not a circular > path back to traits once lost. While organisms > sometimes re-acquire features similar to those > of their ancestors, doing so through the exact > same genetic pathways is rare and difficult to > prove. > > However, reversal is what these tomato plants > appear to be doing. > ... > > Solanaceae (tomatoes, potatoes, egg plant, deadly night shade) produce a toxin. It is why peeling potatoes was so popular, and why people that that eat a lot of potatoes can exhibit some of the neurological effects of the toxin. Cooking reduces the effectiveness of the toxin, but not a whole lot. I was on a panel discussion on GMO agricultural products when I was a post doc at Michigan State, and we explained why things like putting an extra copy of growth hormone in a fish was not toxic or Round up resistant plants just had a naturally occurring enzyme put in them. One member of the panel pointed out that natural breeding of crop plants had produced killer crops in the past. Insect resistant celery and potatoes had been bred by just selecting the most insect resistant plants, and it turned out that they had selected for toxic levels of psoralen in celery that peeled the skin off the farm workers harvesting it in the first test crops, and the potatoes were found to have lethal levels of Solanaceae toxin. The two examples were relevant because there are no regulations for testing naturally bred crops and both products almost made it out for public consumption. The celery was abandoned because they could not harvest it. A commercial product for the potatoes was being created and about to be marketed, but one of the researchers involved in the development of the product had kept working on trying to figure out why it was so insect resistant, and he found out that the potato had toxic levels of the toxin. They could have poisoned millions because there are no food safety regulations for naturally occurring fruits and vegetables. The public was worried about one additional possible antigen in soybeans, but they had no qualms about having Kiwi and Star fruit in the supermarkets with thousands of new potential antigens. All that is happening with this tomato toxin is that one of the enzymes involved in making the toxin is reverting back to using and producing different stereo isomers of the toxin. The ancestors had enzymes that produced one stereo isomer (had a specific physical structure), but the enzyme evolved to produce the other stereo isomer, so the toxin had a different shape. There is no reason why this could not happen because the original enzyme had that activity. It is just a reversion of the specific enzymatic activity. We discussed chirality in a recent thread, and enzymes choose the chirality. It isn't any miracle or supernatural phenomena. Only a molecule of a specific physical structure can fit into a lot of enzymatic active sites, and stereo isomers have different physical shapes even though they have the same elemental composition. Ron Okimoto