Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Physfitfreak Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: OK, .. Let's See :-) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 16:03:36 -0500 Organization: Modern Human Message-ID: <104c3v9$1ornr$1@solani.org> References: <104accu$1pcso$1@solani.org> <104c0ul$1opv7$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 21:03:37 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="1863419"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:GGdcQfQTppdv/BU1z/GbpQP/tIw= In-Reply-To: <104c0ul$1opv7$1@solani.org> X-User-ID: eJwNwgcRwEAIADBL8Gw5TP8S2kuEFLWNVZTlfhUxAK7QxU5tF7t0OlC5hnIvibxOnCFDH4ZRji06lm3vB1K9FaA= Content-Language: en-US, fa-IR On 7/5/25 3:12 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: > On 7/5/25 12:15 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> >> >> >> The nuclear inspectors of IAEA left Iran :) They'll never go back to >> Iran. Iran had not officially asked them to leave. They left because >> they feared with new documents Iran has obtained, they could get >> arrested as spies. Oh, they won't go back to Iran! >> >> And boy, they were in a hurry. Didn't wait till air travel opens up >> (it got open today); they took the ground routes and hurriedly got >> themselves to Armenia. >> >> >> Iranian researchers have given out their own calculations of the cost >> of the 12 day war for Israel: $40 Billion! .. This isn't bullshit, by >> the way. It is gold in this sea of lies spread around this war about >> the toll Israelis paid.z >> >> Very briefly, they've calculated them as: >> >> - military expenditure = $12.2 Billion >> - total indirect economic toll = $21.4 Billion (includes damages to >> businesses) >> - military property destruction = $4.5 Billion >> - evacuations and shelter = $2 Billion >> >> As you see, the consequential economic impact is by itself as high as >> all other costs combined. This is the number one reality that Israel >> stays so quiet about. Because it tells too much about Israel's >> Achilles' heel. War with Iran will solve the problem of Israel for the >> region. >> >> So it was a $40 Billion project, this war, for Israel. I don't know >> how Iran's end of these costs are because part of it is not disclosed >> to anybody. The fact that Israelis also do not reveal it says a lot, >> by the way. >> >> I only know that the military expenditure part of the whole loss has >> been between $50 Million to $100 Million only, which is that same 0.5% >> ratio I've mentioned in these blogs over and over. Military stuff >> costs Israel (and Americans) 200 times more than they do to Iranians. >> >> I wasn't that far off when I said continuation of the war was suicide >> for Israel. So let's see the next one coming will end sooner than 12 >> days or much longer than that :) >> >> Strategically, it is very much a matter of Ukraine also. Ukraine is >> absorbing a good part of the munitions and war equipment that would >> otherwise go to Israel, and directly and immediately from there used >> against Iran. So Russia (and China) are defending Iran in an indirect >> way. When the toll for Russia got too high in this, China wisely >> stepped in to take some of the burden off from Russia. This isn't >> imagination. It is every bit the reality. It is the number one reason >> why Ukraine war doesn't end. It had saved, be it temporarily, Syria >> before and now it helps Iran. The culprits, i.e., the roots of the >> problem, are Israel and USA's plans with the region that has Iran >> inside it. >> >> Today, in fact, Chinese foreign minister told his EU counterpart that >> China does NOT want war in Ukraine come to an end because what >> hostility is in Ukraine's war right now will just be transferred and >> get added to the war with Iran where matters are much more sensitive >> to China than Ukraine's issue could ever be of importance to them. >> China buys Iran's oil, and if anybody, including your infant Trump, >> goes to disturb that, it would mean a direct war with China. >> >> The EU people listening to him (Chinese foreign minister) were shocked >> by his straightforward remarks :) >> >> I think Wang Yi told this to their stupid faces cause he'd become sick >> of EU's continuous effort to sweep the facts under the rug and call it >> "politics." Politics is not Israeli way of dealing with facts. It is >> very much dealing with facts directly and pretty much honestly too! >> >> I think he heard so much bullshit from those Bitch people about "Why >> are you helping Russia in this war?" and idiotic nonsense they had >> asked Trump earlier ("Why are you giving more importance to Israel >> than Ukraine?"), till at last he had enough of it. Politics is not >> knowing the answer and yet asking the questions to see if your >> counterpart knows it too.. That's pitiful. That's what stupid high >> school smart aleks do, not politicians. >> >> So I'm not surprised at all that Yi responded like that right into >> their faces. >> >> The real war is ongoing while being dormant, and that's a war between >> USA and China, and a big part of it is over West Asia region where >> Iran is and has been for thousands of years. It is behind anything >> that's happening. >> >> >> What Trump has been pushing for, is to help Israel against Iran >> instead of helping Ukraine, because he wants to take the oil that Iran >> sells to China away from China. And for this, he hopes that Europeans >> would fill up the gap in help for Ukraine and pay for it out of their >> own pockets. He thinks this might work. I think it's clear that it >> won't because the more Europeans compensate for the absence of >> American weapons and munitions, the larger Russia and China will >> expand the war in Ukraine, forcing Americans back into spending part >> of its resources for Ukraine and not Israel, thus keeping Israel at >> the subsistence level as far as war with Iran is concerned. >> >> Putin and Xi both hold this card, and they've been using it too for >> some time now. What I don't know, is whether Russia or China >> themselves came to this understanding, or, they were "helped" a bit by >> Iranian politicians, cause I believe Iran has better politicians than >> Russia and China have as far as matters related to Nazis of USA and >> Europe are concerned. Iran has had quite a lot of experience in that. >> >> And this push and pull is ongoing right now. A big batch of armaments >> belonging to USA that was agreed upon and sent to Poland to be >> transferred to Ukrainians, was suddenly stopped in Poland. I think >> Trump wants to get them back from Europe and give them to Israel, >> which in turn means another attempt from Israel to attack Iran, which >> consequently will cause Putin and Xi to escalate the war in Ukraine, >> raising the level of armaments that Ukraine needs to protect itself. >> >> Trump's plan wins only if Europe would all by themselves prove to be >> able to sacrifice enough of their resources to fully compensate for >> what Russia (and China) destroy in Ukraine. I think this plan of Trump >> had a chance, and only a chance, before China joined, and not after. >> >> And obviously China joined in because Trump's plan had a chance. I.e. >> EU collectively might match Russia in resources. >> >> A lot of Iranians got pretty pissed when neither Russia nor China >> tactically helped Iran in any direct way, in this 12 day war. I guess >> they didn't notice that this war caused Ukrainian war to escalate. >> Putin raised the level of attacks and destruction of Ukraine's >> armaments. This _caused_ U.S. military armaments get shipped to Europe >> to be given to Ukraine, after all. But that shipment is now stopped >> and I'm not aware yet if they've said exactly for what reason. >> >> Also note that Iran's card of mining the Strait of Hormoz is not just >> a way of pressuring USA, but very much so pressuring China as well. In >> fact it will hurt China more than it does to USA. But results are the >> same regardless. It is a way of throwing China at USA! And Iran can do >> that. She's even decided it in the parliament and it has been OKed by >> Guardian Council. It only needs a signature, and less than 15 minutes >> of time to get done! >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Now that Iran's calculation of Israeli losses in the 12 day war is out, > one British news outlet opened its mouth about the military property > destruction part of it, saying a total of 5 military bases and camps > were attacked by Iran: > > - Tel Nof airbase > - military stuff in Beit Nehemiq > - Camp Glilot > - Irtah > - Camp Zipporit > > One of the above is a military data gathering center and another deals > with military logistics. Israelis now admit they were hit but quickly > claim their "functioning" did not stop. And of course they don't say how > much it has cost them. They (both military and the cabinet) haven't > denied Iran's calculation of it either :) > > Eventually these calculations may prove themselves to be reasonable as > the dollar figures of USA and Europe's military assistance to Israel > will add up to the right amount. These figures aren't that hard to find. > > > Using the 5th column for war effort has its consequences. Iranians are > claiming that a huge amount of additional information has so far been > obtained about Mossad from thousands of individuals who've so far been > arrested. > > Only one of results among many has been (according to an Arab website) > identification and arrest of close to 700 spies inside Iran! These > agents are no "5th column" forces, but outright active agents working ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========