Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: Everyone on this forum besides Keith has been a damned liar about this point Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2025 12:03:53 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 52 Message-ID: <102745p$lajf$1@dont-email.me> References: <1025i6j$afk6$1@dont-email.me> <1025j6l$4nm5$1@dont-email.me> <1025jn5$aqju$1@dont-email.me> <1025kkk$4nm5$2@dont-email.me> <1025l2e$aqju$3@dont-email.me> <1025l7l$4nm5$3@dont-email.me> <1025n51$b964$2@dont-email.me> <1026i2q$h686$1@dont-email.me> <1026slo$j3rp$6@dont-email.me> <1026ta5$ipgg$1@dont-email.me> <1026ukn$k2tr$1@dont-email.me> <1026uuj$ipgg$2@dont-email.me> <1026vqt$kb6a$1@dont-email.me> <102703a$kcea$1@dont-email.me> <10270q6$ki5i$1@dont-email.me> <102715d$ipgg$3@dont-email.me> <10271sq$ki5i$2@dont-email.me> <10272c7$ipgg$4@dont-email.me> <10272o6$kt3u$1@dont-email.me> <10273h4$ipgg$6@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2025 19:03:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a041b768f2f60fa832e047729279e65a"; logging-data="698991"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+1y2zMkTq5V5nzlBVOGBFy" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:qABuzae6zwwYARplqWaNPz5Rqf8= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250609-2, 6/9/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <10273h4$ipgg$6@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 6/9/2025 11:52 AM, dbush wrote: > On 6/9/2025 12:39 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/9/2025 11:33 AM, dbush wrote: >>> On 6/9/2025 12:24 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 6/9/2025 11:12 AM, dbush wrote: >>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:06 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> By replying to a yes or no question with the full >>>>>> and complete justification forces the respondent >>>>>> to look more deeply into these things than simply >>>>>> dismissing a view out-of-hand without review. >>>>> >>>>> But by not including the yes or no you dishonestly dodge the question. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not at all. Not in the least little bit. By forcing my >>>> reviewers to point out an error in my actual reasoning >>>> I prove who is the actual ignorant one. >>> >>> And since your reasoning is that the input to HHH(DDD) only includes >>> the code of the function DDD as you've stated below, >> >> *In other words you are too stupid to understand this* >> >> void DDD() >> { >>    HHH(DDD); >>    return; >> } >> >> The *input* to simulating termination analyzer HHH(DDD) >> specifies recursive simulation that can never reach its >> *simulated "return" instruction final halt state* >> >> *Every rebuttal to this changes the words* >> > > Repeat of original point, previously refuted (see below) > If you disagree with the above you are disagreeing with a self-evident truth. In epistemology (theory of knowledge), a self-evident proposition is a proposition that is known to be true by understanding its meaning without proof... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-evidence -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer