Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Andy Walker Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows --- Semantic Property of Finite String Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 10:08:20 +0000 Organization: Not very much Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <5429f6c8b8a8a79e06b4aeefe677cc54a2a636bf@i2pn2.org> <924e22fc46d629b311b16a954dd0bed980a0a094@i2pn2.org> <0672fec6cb2a5c56fd674bbbb3d2b2101c8f295f@i2pn2.org> <87bju3jswc.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 11:08:21 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6e59f8192c6943d3155a73cdc6020c64"; logging-data="3443680"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Q9RkvMMHtCez/0CBtJDy+" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:psWQsp+QCL5fN7HuOleQDQ22TAs= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US On 15/03/2025 01:08, olcott wrote: > On 3/14/2025 6:09 PM, Andy Walker wrote: >> On 14/03/2025 19:48, Keith Thompson wrote: >>> [...] That would imply that [PO] could solve >>> Goldbach's Conjecture, among other things, but I haven't seen him >>> do so. >>      Perhaps [just about] worth noting that a sufficiently long >> [but not "infinite"] brute force attack on the GC [and many other >> similar conjectures] would resolve the issue. > Not if GC is true and the proof cannot algorithmically > compressed into a finite sequence of steps. You didn't read, or didn't understand, the rest of my article, which explains that, indeed, only a finite number of steps is needed. Read on before replying: >>  Basically, if you >> have a program [eg, TM] of size N by some suitable measure [eg, TM >> states] then within [eg] BB(N) steps it must find the counter-example >> [if there is one] or else there isn't one [and the GC is proven true], >> where BB is the Busy Beaver function.  Of course, BB is uncomputable, >> but that doesn't mean specific individual values are uncomputable, >> just that there is no TM that computes it /in general/. -- Andy Walker, Nottingham. Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/West