Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 16:25:53 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 56 Message-ID: <10031p1$2mtsb$2@dont-email.me> References: <1001fms$29d3f$1@dont-email.me> <1002l5k$2ke1m$1@dont-email.me> <1002pj0$2ldvf$1@dont-email.me> <1002q95$2le74$1@dont-email.me> <100316p$2mbr6$10@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 23:25:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1b4c815c0318038d25de37dcdc1ad225"; logging-data="2848651"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/csnPXArBddM5ZveDuHU/H" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:itWtbayul798fpNAJ+Otb0t4mtw= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250514-4, 5/14/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <100316p$2mbr6$10@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US On 5/14/2025 4:16 PM, dbush wrote: > On 5/14/2025 3:17 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/14/2025 2:06 PM, Mike Terry wrote: >>> On 14/05/2025 18:50, Mike Terry wrote: >>>> On 14/05/2025 08:11, vallor wrote: >>>>> Spent a couple of hours reading back the last few days of posts. >>>>> Huboy, >>>>> what a train wreck.  (But like a train wreck, it's hard to look >>>>> away, which might explain how this has been going on for 20(?) years.) >>>>> >>>>> I want to thank both Richard's, wij, dbush, Mike, Keith, Fred, >>>>> Mikko, and anybody else I've forgotten for trying to explain to >>>>> Mr. Olcott and Mr. Flibble how you all see their claims.  I wanted to >>>>> point out three things: >>>>> >>>>> a) Mr. Olcott claims his HHH simulator detects an non-terminating >>>>> input and halts.  But others (I forget who) report that -- due >>>>> to a bug -- D would actually terminate on its own.  His HHH >>>>> simulator therefore gives the wrong answer. >>>> >>>> Not really due to a bug.  D actually /does/ terminate on its own, >>>> and that's a consequence of PO's intended design.  (Yes, there are >>>> bugs, but D's coding is what PO intended.) >>>> >>> Hmm, I thought some more about this.  What's considered a bug (rather >>> than e.g. a design error) is entirely dependent on the program's >>> specification. >> >> void DDD() >> { >>    HHH(DDD); >>    return; >> } >> >> >>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its >>      input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D >>      would never stop running unless aborted then >> > And *yet again* you lie by implying Sipser agrees with your > interpretation of the above when definitive proof has been repeatedly > provided that he did not: > If that was actually true then you could provide an alternative meaning for the exact words stated above. I keep challenging you to provide this alternative meaning and you dodge because you know that you are lying about there being any alternative meaning FOR THE EXACT WORDS LISTED ABOVE. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer