Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 16:50:23 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: <100336v$2mtsb$3@dont-email.me> References: <1001fms$29d3f$1@dont-email.me> <1002l5k$2ke1m$1@dont-email.me> <1002pj0$2ldvf$1@dont-email.me> <1002q95$2le74$1@dont-email.me> <100316p$2mbr6$10@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 23:50:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1b4c815c0318038d25de37dcdc1ad225"; logging-data="2848651"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+o83dD7WveoNJAHp6u0Iao" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:LM74sc2WzmCKfqhrkWVjpToPsUM= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250514-4, 5/14/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <100316p$2mbr6$10@dont-email.me> On 5/14/2025 4:16 PM, dbush wrote: > On 5/14/2025 3:17 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/14/2025 2:06 PM, Mike Terry wrote: >>> On 14/05/2025 18:50, Mike Terry wrote: >>>> On 14/05/2025 08:11, vallor wrote: >>>>> Spent a couple of hours reading back the last few days of posts. >>>>> Huboy, >>>>> what a train wreck.  (But like a train wreck, it's hard to look >>>>> away, which might explain how this has been going on for 20(?) years.) >>>>> >>>>> I want to thank both Richard's, wij, dbush, Mike, Keith, Fred, >>>>> Mikko, and anybody else I've forgotten for trying to explain to >>>>> Mr. Olcott and Mr. Flibble how you all see their claims.  I wanted to >>>>> point out three things: >>>>> >>>>> a) Mr. Olcott claims his HHH simulator detects an non-terminating >>>>> input and halts.  But others (I forget who) report that -- due >>>>> to a bug -- D would actually terminate on its own.  His HHH >>>>> simulator therefore gives the wrong answer. >>>> >>>> Not really due to a bug.  D actually /does/ terminate on its own, >>>> and that's a consequence of PO's intended design.  (Yes, there are >>>> bugs, but D's coding is what PO intended.) >>>> >>> Hmm, I thought some more about this.  What's considered a bug (rather >>> than e.g. a design error) is entirely dependent on the program's >>> specification. >> >> void DDD() >> { >>    HHH(DDD); >>    return; >> } >> >> >>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its >>      input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D >>      would never stop running unless aborted then >> > And *yet again* you lie by implying Sipser agrees with your > interpretation of the above when definitive proof has been repeatedly > provided that he did not: > > On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:41:27 PM UTC-5, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > > I exchanged emails with him about this. He does not agree with anything > > substantive that PO has written. I won't quote him, as I don't have > > permission, but he was, let's say... forthright, in his reply to me. > > > Your dishonesty knows no bounds. Ben knows that Professor Sisper does agree with my meaning of my words and that got Ben all riled up. Ben was convinced that I tricked professor Sipser into agreeing with these words. THE COMPLETE PROOF THAT PROFESSOR SIPSER DOES AGREE WITH MY MEANING MY MY WORDS IS THAT THE EXACT WORDS ONLY HAVE ONE MEANING. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer