Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 17:38:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: <558a879a-4130-476a-8b5d-d53cd371919b@att.net> <04dd7515-297c-4e7c-9e6a-a4f43e663552@att.net> <43c020cb-dc8b-4feb-be1d-2a76f02be14e@att.net> <19431656-fb42-4569-9334-b5b7e19c80c6@att.net> <4b45ff34-dc3f-4e32-90a3-237f78fbd321@att.net> <4ed4b6dc-de9b-46f7-b2f8-484557d89281@att.net> <7ac03d2e-5d72-4186-8b33-6fdddb7b83ff@att.net> <7ccdd4c7-d15e-417f-9b85-6f9a790d7d44@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 16:38:21 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="1063031"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:cRetd3ofUEaOt696w1BhjIRgo9M= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: X-User-ID: eJwNyskRACEIBMCUFhwGCUc58g9hrf62LQrTQSNsbE7fR9aX8AKdgB1s12htvRfMUKlIZUuPvA/N2RUfI8p/YTgV0A== On 03.03.2025 12:54, joes wrote: > Am Mon, 03 Mar 2025 09:57:47 +0100 schrieb WM: >> Z₀ does not contain undefinable elements. It contains simply all numbers >> that have FISONs (like v. Neumann constructs the FISONs directly). > No. Z_0 is equivalent to N. How that? By induction we prove for every element n ∈ Z₀: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo > sqrt(2) has an infinite decimal representation, like all reals. It just > doesn't have the period (0). There is no actually infinite decimal representation. It would have ω digits. What digit would be at position ω/2? > >>> Therefore, two such decimal.splitting.points √2 and √2′ don't exist. >> Yes, but the topic is this: In exactly the same way as Z₀ is constructed >> by its elements, the set of removable FISONs is constructed by its >> elements, namely by induction. > And in the same way that Z_0 doesn't contain infinite elements, the set > of removable sets of FISONs doesn't. Of course not. Only finite FISONs are existing and removable. If all are removed, none remains. UF = ℕ ==> Ø = ℕ. Regards, WM >